Why Doesn’t God Punish Evil Instantly?

O. Elishiba asks:

“Why doesn’t God give instant punishment for committing a sin? One man made my family cry a lot, he deceived me and almost killed them with emotional pain. Don’t you think that same day his car should have crashed or he should have perished. Today after many years he is extreme evil, wealthy, cruel, prosperous, has happy family, while we are still in pain.”

My answer…

The bible teaches that God is long-suffering and it is not his will that any should perish. Think about it, as bad as this person is would you want them to end up in hell for eternity? Also think about how you were when you were lost – had God given you justice at that point in your life you would have perished on the spot. The bible instructs you to forgive and pray for that person’s salvation. If you have a problem with that ask God to give you supernatural grace. Point is God is patient, forbearing and long-suffering with sinners…

What Is the Nature of Hell?

B. Cooper asks:

“In the Bible, is hell simply separation from God, or is it the literal presence of God’s eternal wrath on the unsaved sinner?”

My answer…

Hell is a place of separation from God and a place of literal conscious torment. It is a place of suffering, grief and flames and it is eternal. I would say all those things taken together could be considered the literal presence of God’s wrath.

Will I Burn I Hell if I’m not a Christian?

D. Edgren asks:

“Will I burn in hell for all eternity if I am not a Christian?”

My answer…

I’m going to be very straight forward with you – when I was an atheist a missionary had me read this text and it led to my conversion…

“The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand. 36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. – John 3:35–36

When I was lost this infuriated me but later on God revealed to me it was true. Without Christ you will die in your sin.

Most Comforting LIE: The Denial of an Eternal Hell


“And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.Matthew 9:43-48

Look at how many time Jesus Christ reiterates this point! Hell is a place of eternal suffering that will not be quenched! Remember how the bible repeats things three times for emphasis?

Here Jesus repeats it 5 times! But what sayeth the Chapel?

“We know man can kill our earthly bodies, but only our Father in heaven has the power to wipe out the existence of the soul… God’s emotions are so much greater than you can even imagine, and to roast one of his own children day and night would be something only Satan would conceive of.” – SOURCE: Shepherd’s Chapel, Newsletter #151

Because of teachings like this many are hell right now awaiting the lake of fire judgment.

In November of 2004, the Holy Spirit began to intensely convict me. I had just gotten a CD called “Consuming Fire” from the Chapel. In it for the first time I learned about their ideas about hell which aren’t biblical at all…

Now, I had accepted just about everything Murray had taught to this point but I had never encountered his position on annihilationism. I always assumed that it was as Jesus said it would be… eternal suffering. I didn’t know he taught this, I was shocked and couldn’t accept it because I knew in the core of my being it was wrong.

Annihilationism is the doctrine that there is no literal eternal conscious hell. God simply casts lost humanity into the lake of fire and they are burnt up and cease to exist, like “fat dripping into the fire and going up in a puff of smoke” as Murray would say.

As I listened to this message I began to realize that Murray was very wrong and this would begin an intense period of torment in my life where I would come to question everything the Chapel taught. In March of 2005, the dam broke and I rejected him and his teaching fully and profoundly as I have detailed here on the blog.

Does the bible teach that souls cease to exist once they are cast into the lake of fire or does it teach eternal conscious torment? It matters! Eternity is FOREVER!

“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.” – Matthew 25:46

It’s pretty clear, don’t you think?

And frankly, if you subtract this reality from your gospel presentation then really nothing is at stake anyway… you didn’t ask to exist, live like you want and when you die, it’s over. So what if you’re a wicked unbeliever, there’s no real impetus on you to believe… for many unbelievers this is simply what they expected after death anyway.

If you are a devout follower of false religion you are in danger of perdition, know this: HELL LASTS FOR ETERNITY AND YOU WILL BE CONSCIOUS OF IT – AND YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT!

JESUS CAME AND SHED HIS BLOOD TO SAVE YOU FROM THE WRATH TO COME DUE TO YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR SIN! Chapel students seem to think they are above needing God’s grace in this life because of their performance against Satan in the first earth age… BLASPHEMY!!!

It’s shouldn’t be hard to see that false teachings like this will lead a person straight to hell. And there are many false teacher awaiting judgment in Sheol today for these things. Let that thought sober you up a little!

Q&A: Does an Eternal Conscious Hell Impugn God’s Character?


“To say that life eternal shall be endless, but that punishment eternal shall come to an end is the height of absurdity.” – Saint Augustine

Does the teaching of an eternal, conscious, dare I say burning hell impugn God’s nature and his character? Many of my readers affirm that this teaching (eternal hell) indeed portrays God as some sort of Demiurge… but does it?

How we view this teaching on eternal judgment is very important…

Jesus died to save us from eternal judgment so we better look carefully at what he has to say about this…

Reader Brad marvels how many within the body of Christ could hold to such a position with a good conscience… he asserts that there are two different God’s in view – and I agree.

In this new Q&A series I will be busting out some new screencasting software so bare with me…

“In an uncomfortably poignant and penetrating way, the doctrine of eternal hell confronts our loyalty, reveals our true authority, and demands that we set aside what seems reasonable to us and trust in the righteous judgment of a holy God. When we embrace the hard doctrines of the Bible, it becomes one of the most significant evidences of true, God-given faith.” – Anon

Judas Was Innocent, the Kenites Really Murdered Him… NOT!


He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.” – Proverbs 17:15

Some people have a real hard time interpreting clear passages like this…

“Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. and departed, and went and hanged himself.” – Matthew 27:5

Judas Iscariot is in hell. The fruit of genuine repentance last time I checked is not suicide. Judas repentance was not genuine repentance, he was merely grieved with the result of his action. Metamelomai is the Greek word for repent here. It simply means he was only remorseful for his actions. Had there been a true change the Greek would have used Metanoeo.

If you’ve watched Murray you’ve listened to him boldly assert that Judas Iscariot was an innocent man, that he truly repented and was killed by the Kenites for some obscure conspiratorial reason.

This represents a profound lack of spiritual discernment.

The reality is Judas Iscariot was a very evil man who witnessed the Son of God and all his miracles and betrayed him for 30 pieces of silver. This is just one more example of the depravity of Murray’s teaching. Consider this passage…

“While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.” – John 17:12

The scripture is very clear: the context is talking about the disciples, the son of perdition is Judas Iscariot… Jesus is very clear, HE IS LOST.

But Murray responds that this passage is talking about Antichrist, or more specifically Satan himself.

This is simply one of the thousands of sad examples of how Arnold wrests the scripture according to his own perverse private interpretation. He sacrifices the truth on the altar of his religious fantasy.

He goes on to elaborate about the intergenerational Kenite conspiracy. Are you beginning to see a pattern here? Murray superimposes his false doctrine concerning the Kenite conspiracy over all of scripture from the beginning to end. But it’s all racist Christian Identity garbage.

But maybe Acts 1:8 proves the conspiracy?

“Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.” – Acts 1:8

After a corpse hangs in a tree long enough it does what? Decomposes. Eventually Judas corpse fell from the tree and burst on the ground. If Peter wanted to tell us about the Kenite conspiracy he would have done it here and acquitted Judas. But apparently Murray knows something Peter doesn’t.

What was the reward of iniquity? 30 pieces of silver. What was Judas iniquity? The betrayal and murder of Christ. What became of the son of perdition? He went to hell!



The Worst of the Worst of Shepherd’s Chapel… Say WHAT?!

Listen to the video above, it will start at the 10:45 mark, listen all the way to 11:21 when Murray says something rather astounding…

Sheol is the holding place of the wicked dead, the waiting place of judgment for the unrighteous. Murray states that all souls in hell, or sheol, can have their outcome altered during the millennium if they are intelligent enough and thus avoid the second death…

Friend’s, this teaching is heretical on so many levels that I stand in amazement. I knew Murray taught grievous premillennial error but this one takes them all!

Salvation by intelligence for the wicked dead who receive a second chance in the millennium?!

Murray essentially has all of the unrighteous dead resurrecting for the millennium where they can avoid judgment if they are intelligent enough… intelligent enough to accept the teaching of the Zadok!