If Adam & Eve listened to God about the fruit where would be?

Question: “What would’ve happened if Eve and Adam listened to God about the fruit?” – Uriah Moss

Pretext: The bible teaches that God foreordained that Jesus Christ would come to earth to die for sin from the foundation of the world. This is hard for people to understand but God ordained the Fall of Mankind – He knew the result of the test when he commanded Adam. He knew that they would fail and He intentionally put Adam and Eve in the garden with the tempter knowing exactly what would happen… does this make God unjust? No, because He purposed to use these results to effect His Glory.

My Answer…

Understand – If God knew that Adam & Eve wouldn’t have eaten the fruit God wouldn’t have even put the tree in the garden to begin with. God foreknew the result of that test and ordained the fall of mankind so as to bring Jesus Christ into the world as Savior. An eternity with Jesus Christ as Savior brings God more glory than eternity without Jesus Christ as Savior. So when you want to understand why God did it the way He did with the fall of man, that is why. The fall was part of God’s eternal plan. When God created man he gave him the capacity to sin and knew that he would do so… and He knew how He would remedy the situation.


Exapataō! How Private Interpretation & Sex Sells


There are two passages in the bible that dumbfounds false teachers near and far…

“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation…“- 2nd Peter 1:20

“As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction” – 2nd Peter 3:16

Has anyone put forth with success more private interpretations and religious speculation as truth than Shepherd’s Chapel? You see, one of things our teacher likes to do is reinterpret the whole of scripture through the lens of his IDOL DOCTRINE the SERPENT SEED and it’s attendant KENITE deception. He knows no bounds to bending and twisting the text to make it fit his precious lies.

Take for instance where he tells us that the Greek word expatao or beguiled in Corinthians means to wholly seduce, as in both sexually and spiritually.

“For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” 2nd Corinthians 11:2-3

“You will remember also that, uh…  Paul, in second Corinthians chapter eleven verses two and three stated, “I wanna present you all as chaste virgins to Christ,” that is to say our husband, when he returns, “not as Eve who was beguiled by that serpent.”  The word beguiled in the Greek being, “Expattio”  which has only one meaning, and that is to be wholly seduced, uh.   Documentation?  Prove me out.  A Strong’s concordance, the Greek word 1818, beguiled as it is used in second Corinthians chapter 11.” – Arnold Murray, tape #438 Mark of the Beast

For Murray this text is about how Satan sexually seduced Eve in the Garden. At the same time he is suggesting that the antichrist will do to the church during the tribulation what Satan did to Eve in the garden. How that works I do not know. Somehow when Christ comes back he will find the church with a corporate devil baby.

I’m being facetious but you can see what happens when you logically follow these things out. In other words, Antichirst (or Satan according to Murray) is going to have sex with the church spiritually. OK, sure.

Expatao has absolutely nothing to do with being seduced sexually. The word simply means to be deceived and that is what happened to Eve – she allowed the serpent to deceive her through his subtlety into disobeying God. Sex never entered the picture – but like I said before, carnal man responds to this type of sensual perverse nonsense.


The main reasons I bring this up is to show you how false teachers distort and pervert the text making it mean something that is an utter abomination. Eve never had sexual relations with Satan and the word expatao has nothing to do with sexual seduction and means simply to deceive.

Unfunny Bone – Since When is a Rib not a Rib?


“And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.” – Genesis 2:21-23

According to the Chapel when the bible says that God formed Eve from Adam’s rib that’s not really what it’s talking about – the rib here is really Adam’s DNA.

Here the Chapel somehow selectively cherry picks the meaning, “curve” from H6763, as in DNA helix curve… how they do that I don’t know – but this is an important pattern of biblical interpretation to notice… the gerrymandering of the Strongs to get the meaning they need.

In typical gnostic fashion – the bible doesn’t really mean what it says, the initiates of the deeper mysteries of the bible are the gatekeepers to the real understanding of the text. But don’t worry if you can’t see it, if you’re not one of the ELECT God has blinded your eyes!

Murray likes to introduce scientific sounding jargon to appeal those unbelievers who can’t accept the bible at face value. This is standard tactic of his.

You will see him do this with the gap theory and age of the earth as well, and the fiasco in Genesis 6. They are appealing to carnal man with arguments they can understand…

They reason that the Hebrew word for rib, tsela, is “curve” and is referring to the DNA… but when I went to check it in the Strong’s I didn’t find anything like that. They abuse the Strong’s picking and choosing the part of the entry that best suits their agenda regardless of how context determines we should interpret it.

How does context determine we should interpret the word, “rib”? As a rib. No more, no less.

And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones… A rib is a bone – Adam acknowledged what it was that God took from him, case closed.

Oh, I forget, the self proclaimed bible authorities have to come and correctly interpret these passages for us.

William Branham, Joel’s Army, Seed Wars – Omega X Conspiracy


“Others, again, portentously declare… this one [Eve] sinned by committing adultery.” – Irenaeus, Against Heresies

Get ready to witness the unravelling of the deception of the ages…

In April 2005, the Lord began to rapidly pluck me from the Chapel quagmire. Not coincidentally, I was a devout follower of Lance Knight at the time. Lance’s repudiation of the Chapel helped me to confirm my doubts but the Lord had already been bringing deep conviction of sin for my involvement…

And if you’re caught up in this, that is what I pray for you – deep overpowering conviction of sin for involvement in idolatrous false religion, the gift of repentance and the mercy of Jesus Christ!

Needless to say, Lance spiralled off into error (weird version of Latter-Rain) and I cut rope with my old ties – and the unravelling ensued…

While looking for information on E.W. Bullinger I ran across Barbara Aho’s Watch Unto Prayer site showing how Bullinger’s Gospel in the Stars was occultic. I knew I was in a mire of deception and I plead with the Lord Jesus Christ to deliver me.

It was at this time while going through Aho’s information on new age religion and the NWO that I learned about the Dominionist movement, Joel’s Army, Latter-Rain theology and it’s originater William Branham. I then learned how integrally linked the Chapel was in something I call the Omega X Conspiracy.

Essentially, the Dominionist’s will serve and follow the beast during Satan’s little season – and the Chapel is right in there with the Dominionist’s and play an important role in the deception of the ages. It will be the tribulation. Joel’s Army is a very close cousin to Shepherd’s Chapel and Christian Identity…

William Branham is important – he is revered by many within the Charismatic church as an essential pillar. He was one of the first “faith preachers” to hit the airwaves back in the 40’s and 50′; notice what he has to say…

Here he is, the serpent. Here he was a great big fellow. And the devil comes down. Now, he says, “I can inspire.”…Now, the devil come down and got into the serpent, and he found Eve in the garden of Eden naked. And he talked about the fruit in the midst, the “midst” means “middle” and so forth. You understand in a mixed congregation. And he said, “Now, it’s pleasant. It’s good to the eye.”

What did he do? He begin making love to Eve. And he lived with her as a husband. And she saw it was pleasant, so she went and told her husband; but she was already pregnant by Satan. And she brought forth her first son whose name was Cain, the son of Satan.

Though slightly different than Murray’s serpent seed it is still the exact same premise: that Eve fornicated with Satan and there is a physical race in existence today as a result.

In fact, it was this premise mixed with the ideas of Wesley Swift that formed the basis for of Murray’s unique “Kenite” teaching.

We will have much more to say about the wolf in sheeps clothing, William Branham, who was such a tremendous influence of Christian Identity and the Shepherd’s Chapel… he is the Father of Neo-Pentacostalism, which is a Roman Whore fronta gnostic fifth column within Protestant Christendom.

Joel’s Army, the end-time revivalist army of Christendom is destined for the lake of fire… we will soon find out why.


Was Ham’s Real Sin, Incest With His Mother?


All good cults know ONE thing: SEX SELLS

What better way to win carnal followers than to sauce up the text with a little raunch?

And the Chapel dishes it up real good… everything in Genesis is really a euphemism for something to do with sex. Eve ate an apple? That really means she had sex with Satan. Sons of God marrying the daughters of men? That really means fallen angels raping human women.

In our latest installment we descend further into madness to find Noah uncovered in his tent after getting into grandma’s medicine cabinet. But everything is not as it appears – Noah being uncovered really is a euphemism for Ham having sex with his mother! Take that Jerry Springer!

“And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father’s nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.” – Genesis 9:20-24

This passage has absolutely NOTHING to do with incest. Noah literally got drunk from literal wine, from a literal vineyard he planted. He was literally naked in his tent when Ham literally saw him.

Noah acknowledges that he KNEW what HAM had done to HIM. Noah’s wife NEVER enters into this. The sons took a literal garment and RESPECTFULLY covered their father. The nature of Ham’s sin was his lack of reverence and disrespect for Noah.

The bible doesn’t say that Ham uncovered him but that he saw him uncovered. The Chapel likes to use this support text from Leviticus…

“And the man that lieth with his father’s wife hath uncovered his father’s nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” – Leviticus 20:11

The Chapel takes this text in Leviticus and uses it to interpret a very clear passage in Genesis.

The meaning here, uncovered his father’s nakedness is better translated as: exposed his father to shame… look it up in the Strong’s for yourself.

Just one more wicked carnal doctrine that you can throw into the trash bin of hellish false religion.

Did the Devil Have Sex With Eve and Sire Cain?

serpent seed lunacy...
serpent seed lunacy…

“When you look for the in-depth meaning of “men as trees, walking”, you are able to see that Christ wants us to understand there are plantings of God and plantings of the devil. The plantings of that wicked one began in the garden of Eden with the conception of Cain and follow down through his progeny, the Kenites.” – Shepherd’s Chapel, Newsletter #195

Shepherd’s Chapel teaching reeks of utter anti-Semitism.

According to Arnold Murray’s perverse theology, the real sin of Adam and Eve in the garden wasn’t the result of their disobeying God and eating fruit. All of that talk about eating fruit was simply a euphemism for something more sinister…

To put it bluntly, Eve didn’t eat fruit – how would that cause the fall of man Murray reasons… no, the fallen angel Lucifer himself had sex with Eve and sired a race of wicked beings known as the Kenites, or the “sons of Cain”. Homosexual relations are implicated to Adam, as he ate the fruit that Eve gave to him.

The old adage “sex sells” definitely applies here as Murray sauces up the text with some much needed raunch to spice his delusions up a little.

Somehow this race of Cain survived the flood and have been involved in every manner of conspiracy to destroy the people of God to this day. This flood issue is no problem as the Kenites and other races are merely animals compared to the Adamites. Murray reasons that the Kenites were on the ark because God said, “bring two of each flesh”.

The Kenites are the “Jews” who say the are “Jews” but are not. Everyone knows that the true Hebrews are the delightsome light skinned British Israelist’s.

Xenophobia abounds in Murray’s teaching and the serpent seed is definitely no exception. The serpent seed premise was also one held by Adolf Hitler himself and inspired him in his efforts to commit genocide.

This is probably one of the easiest lies of the Chapel to refute, yet students of the chapel continue to drink in this hateful bigoted falsehood. It is condemned in and of itself.

The serpent seed doctrine is a core tenet of the Christian Identity Movement.

Who Are the Churches of Philadelphia & Smyrna?


As you know Shepherd’s Chapel teaching is kind of like anti-Semitism for Dummies. Christian Identity neatly packaged and watered down for mass consumption.

Try as they might to hide it, Xenophobia seethes from the teachings every pore. Murray makes much ado about the two churches who “know” those who claim to be Jews but are not. These two churches are Smyrna and Philadelphia and if you don’t accept the reality of the “Kenites” you don’t belong to either (and most likely are one).

Murray reasons that he and those who are with him who know who the “Kenites” truly are, they comprise this special remnant church within the larger group of apostate Christendom.

You see according to them the Kenites are the bona fide literal seed of the Satan himself. He had sex with Eve in the garden and sired a race of hell-spawn through the lineage of Cain. They managed to survive the flood and have proceeded to take control of the world as we know it today.

In the world that was (fantasy religion par excellence) the Kenites played a special role in the rebellion. They are accursed beings from their entrance into earth age… but Murray extends God’s grace to them, how sweet. It takes a special level of evangelical prowess to convert a Kenite but it can be done, he reasons.

This takes the Jewish conspiracy to a whole new plane of paranoia. They essentially go around accusing everyone of being a Kenite if they don’t agree with them which usually ends up being other Christians.

They are also saying that there are a race of very powerful people in control of the world that call themselves Jewish who are literally the seed of Satan himself. THIS IS A LIE FROM HELL!

Murray assumes that the “synagogue of Satan” that Jesus refers to in Revelation are the Kenites but that isn’t who they are at all. The synagogue of Satan in the time of Christ were merely those Jews and Jewish converts who rejected Christ and proceeded to persecute the Christians. No more no less.

Let’s look at this a little more carefully because Murray essentially claims that his church and his inner devotees are the Philadelphian church while his followers on the perimeter who experience poverty, difficulty and persecution are the church of Smyrna.

But do Smyrna and Philadelphia exist today? No, only in type and only in part at best. These were literal churches at the time of this letter who have ceased to exist. Even if they exist in type today it doesn’t give anyone the room to go and claim that they are the church of Philadelphia in the end times… what hubris from a man who butchered the text like he did!

Shepherd’s Chapel and their followers are not the church of Smyrna and Philadelphia because they discern who the Kenites are because there is no such thing as the Kenites as they teach… the Chapel and it’s followers more closely follow the type of the Synagogue of Satan than anything else…

They claim to be the true physical descendants of Hebrew tribes… when they aren’t! WHAT IRONY!

The Church of Smyrna and Philadelphia were two literal churches that existed in Asia Minor at the time of John’s writing. If you want to self-identify with Smyrna and Philadelphia because you know who the Kenites are then you might want to do a clean format of your brain, it has been infested with religious viruses!