If Adam & Eve listened to God about the fruit where would be?

Question: “What would’ve happened if Eve and Adam listened to God about the fruit?” – Uriah Moss

Pretext: The bible teaches that God foreordained that Jesus Christ would come to earth to die for sin from the foundation of the world. This is hard for people to understand but God ordained the Fall of Mankind – He knew the result of the test when he commanded Adam. He knew that they would fail and He intentionally put Adam and Eve in the garden with the tempter knowing exactly what would happen… does this make God unjust? No, because He purposed to use these results to effect His Glory.

My Answer…

Understand – If God knew that Adam & Eve wouldn’t have eaten the fruit God wouldn’t have even put the tree in the garden to begin with. God foreknew the result of that test and ordained the fall of mankind so as to bring Jesus Christ into the world as Savior. An eternity with Jesus Christ as Savior brings God more glory than eternity without Jesus Christ as Savior. So when you want to understand why God did it the way He did with the fall of man, that is why. The fall was part of God’s eternal plan. When God created man he gave him the capacity to sin and knew that he would do so… and He knew how He would remedy the situation.

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Did the Devil Have Sex With Eve and Sire Cain?

serpent seed lunacy...
serpent seed lunacy…

“When you look for the in-depth meaning of “men as trees, walking”, you are able to see that Christ wants us to understand there are plantings of God and plantings of the devil. The plantings of that wicked one began in the garden of Eden with the conception of Cain and follow down through his progeny, the Kenites.” – Shepherd’s Chapel, Newsletter #195

Shepherd’s Chapel teaching reeks of utter anti-Semitism.

According to Arnold Murray’s perverse theology, the real sin of Adam and Eve in the garden wasn’t the result of their disobeying God and eating fruit. All of that talk about eating fruit was simply a euphemism for something more sinister…

To put it bluntly, Eve didn’t eat fruit – how would that cause the fall of man Murray reasons… no, the fallen angel Lucifer himself had sex with Eve and sired a race of wicked beings known as the Kenites, or the “sons of Cain”. Homosexual relations are implicated to Adam, as he ate the fruit that Eve gave to him.

The old adage “sex sells” definitely applies here as Murray sauces up the text with some much needed raunch to spice his delusions up a little.

Somehow this race of Cain survived the flood and have been involved in every manner of conspiracy to destroy the people of God to this day. This flood issue is no problem as the Kenites and other races are merely animals compared to the Adamites. Murray reasons that the Kenites were on the ark because God said, “bring two of each flesh”.

The Kenites are the “Jews” who say the are “Jews” but are not. Everyone knows that the true Hebrews are the delightsome light skinned British Israelist’s.

Xenophobia abounds in Murray’s teaching and the serpent seed is definitely no exception. The serpent seed premise was also one held by Adolf Hitler himself and inspired him in his efforts to commit genocide.

This is probably one of the easiest lies of the Chapel to refute, yet students of the chapel continue to drink in this hateful bigoted falsehood. It is condemned in and of itself.

The serpent seed doctrine is a core tenet of the Christian Identity Movement.

“Calling Upon the Lord” in Genesis 4:26 – What Does it Mean?

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“To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the LORD.” – Genesis 4:26 ESV

In Genesis 4:26 we are told that men began to call upon the name of the Lord, but what does that mean?

Murray’s interpretation of Genesis 4:26 is insightful – he asserts that at this time men began to blaspheme God and take God’s name in vain. Murray’s premise on Genesis 4:26 derives from Bullinger who as we know teaches the Genesis 6 hybrid doctrine. In a moment we will look at his appendix on this.

A correct understanding of this passage will reveal who the “Sons of God” were.

The sons of God were a tribe, they were primarily the sons of Enos but more specifically they were an antediluvian covenant people who began to intermarry with non-believers. This is a famous motif in Moses writings.

These men who called upon the name of the Lord were the “Sons of God”. They subsequently began to fall into apostasy and the flood resulted.

As a parallel in the New Testament believers are warned NOT to marry unbelievers…

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” – 2nd Corinthians 6:14

This would apply in many ways but specifically in marriage. Perhaps Jesus warning in Matthew 24:37-38 is referring to this very type of apostasy…

“But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,”

The apostasy that precedes Christ return will feature this same sort of sin that happened in Noah’s day and it has nothing to do with angels and women having sex and siring devil babies…

Do you see how absurd that is? To assert that it to completely miss the essence of Jesus warning.

Jesus isn’t referring to angels and women intermarrying here because if He wanted to clarify the issue he could have right here in one or two words. No, we are talking about marriage in the simple sense and somehow the apostasy was the result of it.

Enoch was a “Son of God”. Noah and his sons, were the “sons of God”. Luke calls Adam a “son of God”. But especially Noah as we find that he was the main person who did not fall into the prevailing apostasy at the time. That is why he was “perfect”. Has nothing to do with genetics.

Keep in mind the Torah was for the Israelites and was given to them AS they were entering into the promised land where they would have to abstain from intermarriage or cease to exist.

Genesis 6 was an object lesson from Moses to the Israelites to abstain from intermarriage with the godless pagan nations whom they were about to be in contact with.

 

Bullinger’s View on Genesis 4:26

 

Here’s what Bullinger has to say in Appendix 21 about the meaning of this phrase…

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ENOS. (GENESIS 4:26.) – “CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD.”

“Then began men to call upon the name of Jehovah.” If this refers to Divine worship it is not true: for Abel and Cain both began, and their descendants doubtless followed their example.

What was really begun was the profanation of the Name of Jehovah. They began to call something by the Name of Jehovah. The Authorized Version suggests “themselves”, in the margin. But the majority of the ancient Jewish commentators supply the Ellipsis by the words “their gods”; suggesting that they called the stars and idols their gods, and worshipped them.

The Targum of Onkelos explains it: “then in his days the sons of men desisted from praying in the Name of the Lord.”

The Targum of Jonathan says: “That was the generation in whose days they began to err, and to make themselves idols, and surnamed their idols by the Name of the Word of the Lord.”

Kimchi, Rashi, and other ancient Jewish commentators agree with this. Rashi says: “Then was there profanation in calling on the Name of the Lord.”

Jerome says that this was the opinion of many Jews in his days.

Maimonides, in his Commentary on the Mishna (a constituent part of the Talmud), A.D. 1168, in a long treatise on idolatry, gives the most probable account of the origin of idolatry in the days of Enos.

The name Enos agrees with this; for his name means frail, weak, sickly, incurable. The sons of men, as “Enosh”, are so called for a similar reason (Job 7:17; 15:14. Psalm 9:20; 103:15. Daniel 2:43). See Appendix 14.

If Jonathan, the grandson of Moses, became the first idolatrous priest in Israel (see notes on Judges 18:30), what wonder that Enos, the grandson of Adam, introduced idolatry among mankind.

Moreover, what “ungodliness” did Enoch, “the seventh from Adam” have to prophesy about in Jude 14, 15, if purity of worship was begun in the days of Enos, instead of profanation in calling on the Name of the Lord?

Surely this is sufficient evidence that this profanation of the Name of the Lord was the reason why Enoch was raised up to prophesy against it.

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It would seem to me that idolatry began at the fall – it is speculation to pin the blame for the origin of idolatry on Enos. Enos came from a line of godly pre-flood patriarchs. It would be much more appropriate to assign the origin of idolatry to Cain and his descendants.

I acknowledge how some commentators have viewed this passage but if we are to resort to that then my first question would be, how have other commentators understood this passage?

The Septuagint translators didn’t view this passage that way.

This view of Genesis 4:26 would be the natural interpretation for those who accept the hybrid theory of Genesis 6 as the one I suggested would end all dispute about who the “sons of God” were.

The transliteration of Enos name lends nothing to the argument. There are much better transliterations than what Bullinger gives us.

Bullinger citing a passage from the pseudipigraphal book of Enoch (Jude is citing Enoch) does nothing to strengthen his argument either, it rather reveals the origin of his bias in this regard.

There are several good interpretations of what “calling upon the name of the Lord” could refer to but my position is that this is what distinguished the “Sons of God”…

From the LXX:

“And to Seth, to him also was born a son, and he called his name, Enos. This one hoped, therefore he called to himself the name of the Lord God.”

The KJV agrees with this translation.

Enos far from being the first idolater, hoped in the promise of God, the seed to come.

Lastly, consider this passage:
Deut 28:9-10 NKJV
9 “The LORD will establish you as a holy people to Himself, just as He has sworn to you, if you keep the commandments of the LORD your God and walk in His ways.
10 Then all peoples of the earth shall see that you are called by the name of the LORD, and they shall be afraid of you.”

Moses using the same idea of a covenant people as in Genesis… the covenant people in those days were destroyed.