ALL of Shepherd’s Chapel FALSE Teachings – Comprehensive List

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Shepherd’s Chapel has a comprehensive, systematic, FALSE theology that must be unraveled. All of his lies are interlinked and build on another. The thing that makes it difficult do deal with is correctly apprehending what he does teach that is true. You must distinctly rely on the Holy Spirit to help you discern what is scriptural and what is not.

Some of what Murray teaches is biblical, for instance his expose on the pretribulation rapture… but so what? There are a multitude of good Christian teachers who expose this lie without all the garbage.

Many students complain to me saying that Murray simply teaches the bible – this is naïve. Look at what he is saying that the scripture means… put it all together and you will see, he has created his own religion.

The following is an exhaustive list of many of the heretical teachings and malignant errors disseminated by the Chapel. This list is by no means fully complete. Here we go!

* strange millennial teachings – Murray has his own spectacular variety of the millennial teaching that features who else? Him and his followers whom he calls the Zadok. Premillennialism however was condemned at the council of Ephesus long ago. Christ reigns in heaven upon Davids throne, ruling the nations with a rod of iron, right now!

* nonphysical resurrection for believers and Jesus Christ – this heresy is a big one, it shows us the strong gnostic undercurrents in Murray’s teaching. Murray commonly teaches that believers will experience no bodily resurrection. Murray teaches when a Christian dies, their spirit body resurrects and goes immediately to heaven and that is the resurrection. The flesh returns to dust forever. Murray teaches that Christ’s resurrection need not be bodily but was merely spiritual.

* No such thing as original sin due to Adam’s rebellion – According to Arnold Murray the only original sin was when Eve had sex with the serpent and sired Cain or when Satan rebelled in the first earth age. This denial of the true nature of original sin has staggering implications. Romans 5:15-21 teaches that Adam’s sin was imputed to every one as a result of the fall.

* annihilationism: no literal conscious eternal hell – according to the chapel the lake of fire is figurative, so the lost person need no worry if they don’t believe… God will simply burn them to a crisp instantly and they will go up into a puff of smoke, you will simply cease to exist. The bible teaches that hell is a literal place of eternal conscious suffering.

* pre-existence of souls in the first age – Murray has an elaborate speculative theology based upon the premise that we were angels on earth during a vast time of pre-existence, where a rebellion took place. Souls must be ‘born from above’ into this flesh body to undergo testing. Though God knew of our existence from the foundation of the world our spirit wasn’t with God in any sense before this life – He formed our spirit within us when we were in the womb as it says in Zechariah.

* Modalism, or Sabellian heresy, one God in 3 aspects – was condemned strongly by the early church. Pastor Murray rejects the orthodox doctrine of the Godhead that God is one being in three co-equal co-eternal persons. For Murray, Jesus incarnation was merely the Father being incarnate. God is simply one person that manifests himself in three different offices. This is flaming heresy.

* Open theism, God either cannot or will not know the future – In other words God is not omniscient, therefore not God. God because of man’s free will cannot fully know the future or God limits his knowledge so that man can remain free. I once recall Murray teaching about how God didn’t know what decision Adam and Eve would make in the garden. He commonly teaches that man has free will in salvation and that God chooses not to know what decision man will make. God only knows what choice the 144,000 will make who he says were justified in a previous earth age.

* Pelagian heresy – This is an overemphasizing of man’s free will in the process of regeneration. It also asserts that human free will was not tainted by the fall, recall that Murray rejects original sin. Since Murray taught that only 144,000 are the elect, for whom salvation was given before the “overthrow”. Those souls outside of that, not being predestined to salvation, are saved by virtue of their own free will. Murray would make your head spin in his explanation of justification and election. The elect were justified for their performance in the first rebellion…

* Being born again not regeneration – being “born again”, or born from above as Murray points out is not a reference to regeneration. It means to be born into this body from another spiritual age… this is such an idiotic teaching that I fail to find the words to express it.

* Mark of the Beast – He states that those who are deceived into taking the mark can amend their position by works in the millennium with a second chance. The bible says that it is precisely those who receive the mark who will be damned. 

* 6th day & 8th day man in Genesis are not the same, Eth ha adam – this insane doctrine is a favorite of Christian identity bigots who latch onto any lie they can to make themselves feel superior. It teaches that the swarthy masses of indigenous people were made on the 6th day… on the 8th day God created Adam to rule over the heathen. Yet, the bible says Eve is the mother of all living and the nations came from one blood. How did the races survive the flood?

* Noah’s flood was a local event – Murray has two positions on this. Secretly, for Murray the flood was not worldwide… but on the broadcast he commonly teaches that Noah took two of each flesh on the ark (Kenites and other races are flesh too but not of the same class of human as Noah). God sent a local flood simply to knock out the race of hybrid Nephilim who he claims were the result of fallen angels and humans procreating. Using Fredrick Haberman’s book Tracing Our Ancestors, Murray argues the flood happened in the Pamir plateau region in the Himalayas. The Kenites either were on the boat or fled the area as they were not effected by the flood…

* Earth and cosmos are millions and billions of years old – Murray definitely denies that the earth is recent creation. He must do this in order to have an immense prehistory for a rebellion to take place… he also does it win over scientifically minded people who really don’t like the thought of the earth being young. However, creation is as old as the bible states, or it is all a lie.

* Gap Theory – Murray commonly teaches about the three earth ages. He uses a collection of distorted texts to prove that there is gap of millions of year of time between Genesis 1:1-2. During this immense era of history Satan’s rebellion took place. The gap theory is used by bad theologians to prove that the earth is millions of years old.

* Serpent Seed, the Kenites, wicked pseudo Jews – In this teaching, Eve is not merely deceived by the devil in the garden to eat fruit, he has sex with her and sires a race of evil humans. The tree of life and knowledge of good and evil are Jesus and Satan respectively. As a result of this illicit union Eve becomes pregnant with Cain, the father of a murderous race of demonic hybrids who will plague humanity until the end of time. Murray calls them the Kenites and makes them responsible for all manner of evil… according to him these are the false Jews who rule the world.

* God rides around in a pimped out UFO – Murray teaches that UFO’s are referenced in the bible and that God and the angels ride around in highly polished bronze flying vehicles… this lie is setting his followers up to accept the end-time deception which will feature a staged alien disclosure scenario.

* Genesis 6 , nephilim Hybrids, fallen angels having sex – very popular notion these day; essentially the fallen angels in an attempt to overthrow God came to earth to have sex with women and thus pollute the gene pool of humanity. Physical and moral monstrosities were the result of these unions. God then sent the flood of Noah to destroy the hybrids. Once the flood had ended, the other fallen angels resumed their practice of illicit sex. These Nephilim or those with the blood of Nephilim play a big part in human history and work alongside the Kenites. In our modern parlance people like David Icke would call these beings Reptilians.

* Gospel in the Stars, truth of scripture found encoded in the zodiac – one of Murray’s biggest influences is E.W. Bullinger a 19th century theologian and contemporary to C.I. Scofield. Bullinger popularized the gospel in the stars. It’s the teaching that God told Adam the story of redemption in advance and the patriarchs encoded this story in the Zodiac. Over time the Zodiac was paganized and the message was lost. Bullinger recovered the corrupted knowledge. It is a perfect example of Christian Gnosticism.

* Biblical numerology is a form of divination for Murray – in the occult world, especially Kabbalah, numerolgy is an essential form of witchcraft. Ascribing arbitrary meaning to numbers which then in turn is used to support false ideas. With Murray it is a form of divination. Murray relies heavily on biblical numeric to trick meanings and support his errors. Numbers do not have meaning in and of themselves. Though the bible uses numbers in thought provoking ways, it never comes out and explicitly tells us what any number means.

* British Israelism – a theological form of British Imperialism, it is a core deception of the Chapel. It teaches that the lost tribes of Israel are the white European and Americans. Ultimately the Hebrews migrated to America and Britain and other places where Caucasians abide. It is from these people whom the Elect, the 144000 from the book of Revelation will come…

* Only the 144,000 are elect – the most asinine arrogant teaching of Arnold. His tape on election proves what a flaming heretic he is. He says that Romans 8:28-30 doesn’t refer to the church but merely to 144,000 Hebrews who sided with God in the first earth age. The other Christians are saved by their free will and are not predestined or elect. These 144,000 are the ones whose names are written from the foundation (or Katabole). In fact other places that mention the elect are talking about the same group!

* The 7,000 “very elect”, or the Zadokian Priesthood – Murray says initially even the 144,000 will be deceived into false worship of the beast. Only the “very elect” won’t be deceived – they are the 7,000 of Romans who didn’t bow a knee to Baal. These are the Crème de la Crème in Murray’s psychopathic vision. They will rule the millennial temple…

* Foundations of the World, The Katabole, or the “Overthrow” – teaches that when the bible refers to “foundations of the world”, it is referring to the cataclysmic overthrow or destruction of the world as a result of Satan’s rebellion. This is a foundational doctrine – he gets this interpretation directly from E.W. Bullinger. The Greek word katabole doesn’t mean what Murray says. It means foundation.

* Pyramidology, Great Pyramid built by Israelites – in the wacked out idea we find out that the Pyramids are not blasphemous monuments to mystery religion but divinely inspired structures encoded with hidden revelation from God…

* throne of David located in Britain, British Monarchy sits on it – this is where the chapel starts to get really insane; a whole elaborate theology about Judah’s two sons Perez and Zerah and their migrations to Britain. In essence the British Royal throne is David’s throne and Christ is slated to be seated on that throne in the millennium.

* Stone of Destiny – directly tied to this, is Jacob’s pillar. Jeremiah brought Jacob’s stone and one of the king’s daughter’s to Ireland after the destruction of Jerusalem… this one of the ways they lend credence to the claim that the British monarchy descends from Judah and has rightful rulership.

* The word ‘Easter’ in Acts is not a mistranslation – Arnold says that the word “Easter” in Acts 12:4 was incorrectly translated. He implies Kenites manipulated the text. The implication is that the KJV English version is not completely inspired and that we need Greek scholars like Murray to correctly translate the bible. The KJV scholars actually interpreted the word ‘Easter’ correctly.

* Endorsing and promoting the apocryphal books and other uninspired pseudopigraphal writings.

* 1/3 stars in Revelation – teaches that these stars are the souls who rebelled in the first earth age and are born into the flesh at the end of the age to worship the beast, this influx began in 1967, according to Murray. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize that we are dealing with vintage religious idiocy.

* the whole tribulation will be shortened to period of 5 months – Murray reasons that for the elects sake the days will be shortened means the 5 month period of the locusts. The great tribulation will be shortened to 2.5 months. When the bible refers to 42 months, 1260 days, et al. it is really talking about a 2.5 month period.

* Deaths spoken of in the book of Revelation are spiritual and not physical – for Murray the tribulation is not a time of martyrdom and physical death. For instance in the 6th trumpet when 1/3 of humanity is killed – it is simply talking about spiritual death. But never fear! If you die spiritually or even take the mark during the tribulation you can make up for it in the millennium.

* second chance millennium – for Murray the millennium is about people on earth during the tribulation who never had a chance, receiving a second chance. We find out that no one really had a chance to begin with because of Satan’s powers of deception. In other words, if you take the mark (which is really just serving the beast) you will get an opportunity in the millennium to work your way back into God’s good graces. Albeit Murray and his Zadok will be ruling at that time and they are going putting everyone through spiritual bootcamp, so get ready to earn your salvation!

* ALL angels incarnate as humans during this age – all angels that is except for Lucifer, and as a result he will be the so called antichrist.

* first beast system, 2nd beast Satan – Murray teaches that the first beast is merely a reference to a world system and not the man of sin. The second beast on the other hand is Lucifer himself in a supernatural body and he will come here to tempt humanity for 5 months…

* Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit – this is when the elect are delivered up before the synagogue of Satan during the tribulation and refuse to all God to speak through them. Only the elect can commit it – recall that the elect are 144,000 white Caucasian Hebrews.

* Speaking in tongues conversely – Teaches two different tongues. The Pentecost tongue is when the elect are delivered up in the tribulation and allow the Holy Spirit to speak through them on international television… all the people of the world will be watching! And they will understand perfectly. The tongue of Corinthians 14 is merely speaking about the ability to acquire different languages, like Murray, nothing more.

* Non Kosher meats are not to be eaten – for Murray the health laws regarding Kosher meats are still binding in a sense for the new testament believer. So, no more porkchops for you Anglo-Israelites out there. This ignores tons of new testament stipulations regarding food and drink. We are free from OT health laws. Eat whatever you want (within reason) and give God thanks.

* The 5th trumpet sounded in 1967 or 1982 – Category 5 hurricane Camille was a sign of the 5th trumpet sounding, the Mt. Saint Helens in 1982… okay Murray, whatever you say, I’m sure they will believe it.

I am nowhere near being through with this list. I will keep adding to it…

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  3. After reading this entire thread, I am going to take SERIOUS exception to at least one of your claims. You seem to claim that “Easter” is the correct translation in the KJV as used in Acts 12:4.

    This is the ONLY use of the word “Easter” in the KJV. However, the Strong’s concordance points to Greek word number 3957, which is translated as “Passover” 28 times and “Easter” only once.

    I use the Online Bible software on my computer for my studying.
    ———————————————————————–
    Ac 12:4 And when he had apprehended (5660) him, he put (5639) him in prison , and delivered (5631) him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep (5721) him ; intending (5740) after Easter to bring him forth (5629) to the people .

    3957 πάσχα pascha pas’-khah

    of Aramaic origin, cf 06453 חספ; TDNT-5:896,797; {See TDNT 605 } n n

    AV-Passover 28, Easter 1; 29

    1) the paschal sacrifice (which was accustomed to be offered for the people’s deliverance of old from Egypt)
    2) the paschal lamb, i.e. the lamb the Israelites were accustomed to slay and eat on the fourteenth day of the month of Nisan (the first month of their year) in memory of the day on which their fathers, preparing to depart from Egypt, were bidden by God to slay and eat a lamb, and to sprinkle their door posts with its blood, that the destroying angel, seeing the blood, might pass over their dwellings; Christ crucified is likened to the slain paschal lamb
    3) the paschal supper
    4) the paschal feast, the feast of the Passover, extending from the 14th to the 20th day of the month Nisan
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    I would say that is the solid PROOF you got this one WRONG.
    Now, what was that commandment about false witnesses?

    The MOST interesting aspect of your blog site and posts on this man, is that you do not provide PROOF of the man teaching what you claim he is/was teaching. You make claims that he teaches this or that, but you don’t prove that he does.

    Having had a LOT of experience with people that take words out of context, others that seem to have serious comprehension problems, those that try to change the meaning of something someone else says or writes for their own purpose which is different than the original speaker/author, and those looking to get a pat on the back or some kind of fame with venom and false accusations….which one are you?

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    • You are defending a cult. I have received no pat on the back from anyone from my postings exposing this man’s false teachings. I have over 20 years of experience with his teachings – he regularly reiterates his positions and he is very clear on the broadcast, like this one concerning Easter. You want a source? Go listen to the broadcast yourself.

      In exposing Murray I am doing what God has called me to and I will continue to do so until EVERYONE that I can reach with the blog has been warned. So I’m not the least bit concerned about false witness as a great deal of what I bring up is true. Can I be wrong? Sure. Will I change the blog as God corrects me, sure. But will I change the theme of this blog? No. Because I know what I am talking about.

      Your proof doesn’t consider all of the points I brought up. If I am wrong about this issue with Easter the Holy Spirit will prompt me and I will change it. Until then I will side with the KJV translators. What reason did they have to change “paschal” to Easter? Were they that misled or was there a reason for it?

      The “pascha” in question here doesn’t refer to the Jewish passover. The bible declares that Peter was arrested during the feast of unleavened bread which is AFTER the jewish passover. Acts says that Herod intended to keep him until after the “passover” but the one you’re referring to had already passed. The pagan celebration Easter was later in April.

      So who’s the false teacher? The KJV translators? Or is it you?

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    • I am always ready for someone who will accuse a Bible teacher who takes
      His teachings by reading directly from KJB and Hebrew texts ( not Greek).
      Arnold Murray never trashes Churches and/or Pastors although he is not
      A fan of the Catholic Church. Never claims to be anything except a teacher
      Who uses only scripture. Your obvious trashing of Pastor Murray includes
      A sling and arrow for ” teaching of pimped up UFO’s that God rides around in.”
      We read Ezekiel 10 of KJB and see the story Pastor Murray reads and instructs
      His listeners to “put aside the reading” if it is too much” to deal with.

      If you are insulted or offended by the late Pastor Murray’s helping us try to
      sort thru the chapters, just turn him off and go yur own way. I am sure yu
      Don’t have any critics concerning your views and explanations over ancient
      Texts and interpretations. ( who asked you in the first place?)
      Van Whittington, a Pastor Murray watcher for 10 years who does not believe
      He was a heretic or scripture manipulator to further his financial and fame
      Position.

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  4. I am not teaching anything. I merely point out the FACT that the Greek word translated as “Easter” is the Greek word “pascha” which is used 28 other times the Textus Receptus; which is the manuscript utilized to translate the Greek to English in the KJV. Why the KJV translators chose to insert “Easter” 1 time and 28 other times use “Passover”…that you will have to ask the KJV translators. I could guess why they did it, but my guess would be just that.

    No matter HOW you look at it you can’t get past the FACT as I have outlined. In no way does this make me a “false teacher”. This is not the only anomaly in the KJV. Despite the anomalies, it is; in my opinion, the best translation. But it is NOT perfect.

    If your faith in Christ is shaken because there are few errors or anomalies in the KJV, I can only feel pity for you, because that kind of attitude leads to legalism and can erode the important message of Christ’s saving grace.

    So you are claiming that God has specifically called you out to expose a false teacher or false teachers. Hmmmmm! A lot of people claim such things. I have even heard preachers claim that God tells them where a good parking spot is at the local mall. The KJV Bible I have seems to show that when God actually does speak to them for the first time, there is a great deal of fear and trembling.

    Now, where in the Bible does it say that any Christian is to EXPOSE, RIDICULE, DEBASE false teachers or false prophets? I would remind you that you do not have the powers of the apostles chosen personally by Christ. The Bible certainly does say to BEWARE of them. It certainly does say that the ELDERS of a church have the power to rid the church of those that refuse to repent from their sins. But I don’t see any verse that they are to continue to chase them down and make public proclamations OUTSIDE the church in regards to the sins or heresies. What church are you an elder of? NONE, because I have seen you write that you attend no church and therefore cannot be an elder.

    Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    1Corinthians 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

    You should also review 2Timothy chapters 2 and 3. Meekness,humility, patience…as opposed to proud, unholy, BOASTERS, false accusers, highminded.

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    • There are a lot of people caught up in the Shepherd’s Chapel cult. I accept the possibility of errors in the translation – and this concerning Easter could be one of them but what I have seen Murray do over and over is use issues like this to be divisive in such a way to bring people into his false system of religion. I have zero patience with this cult and I will try not to be so abrasive in the future but I will continue to reprove it in good conscience. I know it is the Lord’s will. Some people may not appreciate the delivery but it is what it is.

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    • You want to know if God has called me to expose the Shepherd’s Chapel cult. I would have to state emphatically, yes. How is that a problem? I was once in the cult and Jesus Christ set me free. Now he would like to use me to others who were once in my situation and there are plenty.

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    • Bravo well stated. I have yet to feel misled in any of Shepherds Chapel teachings. I have attended many many different denominations. And all have had some sort of ridicule or condemning in the service at one time or another. Therefore when I found Shepherds Chapel I found peace of mind and comfort in the teaching that what I felt about Gods ways is very similar and makes perfect since. And have looked up to collaborate everything his says is true to the word. Verse by Verse Chapter by Chapter in the King James. The Bible also states that if the teaching of certain faiths confuses or makes you angry then something somewhere is wrong about it. Gods word should not create such dismay. And You Sir make me very angry to the point maybe you are the work of Satin trying to steer people away from the correct teachings. Shepherds Chapel does not ever condemn other faiths and beliefs but simply teach the word directly from the book.

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  5. Look in your KJV. EVERYTIME you see a word that has been italicized it means that the word is NOT in the Textus Receptus which the KJV is translated from.

    The reason for this is quite simple. Languages are not always translatable word for word back and forth. Anyone that has any exposure to another language knows this; or should be reminded of that fact. If you don’t believe that, find someone that speaks two or more languages…ask them.

    Nouns are often translatable back and forth. Some nouns are transliterated rather than translated.. However verbs, adverbs, adjectives are not always translatable word for word. Some languages have built in differences for gender or rank identification. Example: in Spanish, “amiga” is a female friend, “amigo” is a male friend….where in English “friend” is genderless unless preceded with “boy” or “girl”.

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  6. And my FINAL post on this site:
    A message from Paul to those who teach and pastor:

    Titus 3:1 ¶ Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
    2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
    3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

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    • Once again, I don’t consider myself to be hateful towards the Shepherd’s Chapel – I am irritated with false religion. I am irritated that I was led astray by these people. I am irritated that he continues to lead people astray. The Chapel is a tremendous stumbling block – you seem to be overlooking that or don’t understand. It is God’s will that the Chapel and it’s false system of religion be uprooted, we as Christians are to assist the Lord in destroying the works of the Devil.

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  7. The fact that you think the KJV is translated perfectly tells me you know very little of what is called truth…The fact that they took Yahweh’s name out of the bible in nearly 7,000 places should be a tip that it’s not as well translated as you think it is….

    Prime example of deliberately mistranslating the meaning….

    Deuteronomy 23:2

    A *bastard* shall not enter into the Congregation of the Lord: even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the Congregation of the Lord.

    Bastard
    Strong’s Number H4464 matches the Hebrew מַמְזֵר (mamzer ), mixed population

    That sure blows a huge hole in the theory of the heretical teaching of universal salvation to all….The bible is the history book of the Adamic white race, Gen 5, this is the book of the generations of Adam…The bible applies to no one but the white race- Hence why Noah was spared, in your PERFECT KJV it states Noag was perfect in his generations, a meaningless statement, in the manuscripts it says perfect in his ancestry, in other words he was the last unmongrelized white family left, God created the flood in the Tarin basin and wiped out all of the darker races…

    One more thing, can you show me what tree it is that has the knowledge of Good and Evil?

    I’ve never seen one of those trees before…

    Of course if you had studied a little better you would see God often used trees to describe people… In John 8:44 Jesus Christ who was the word and the word became flesh pointing to a single God, you remember when he said the father and I are one, pointing to the fact that he was indeed God, maybe that is why he said before Abraham, I am…Just sayin….Back to John 8:44, in John 8:31 Christ talking to the jews told them in 8:44 you are of your father the devil, he was a murderer from the beginning…From what Christ told the jews it makes perfect sense they are the children of Cain, who was fathered by satan when he seduced eve…Cain was the first murderer was he not, yes he was….And in john 8:47 Christ told the jews you are not even of God…Pretty bold statement but since he was God I am certain he knows what he was talking about, Adam was Gods son per Luke 3:38, and Cain was satan’s son which is why Cain is absent from Adam’s geneaology, hence why Christ said you are not even of God…

    I guess Christ didn’t drive the point home hard enough for you when he also stated the following-

    Matthew 13:37-38
    “He that soweth the good seed (sperma) is the Son of man: The field is the world; the good seed are the *children of the kingdom*; but the tares are the *children of the wicked one*; The enemy that sowed them is the *devil*…”

    Well, well, well, looks like we have two seedlines of Chidren here on this earth…What do you know about that!

    What more would you like Christ to do, draw you some pictures too until you can get it…

    Most of what you stated is 100% wrong, you truly are not fit to be a teacher of Yahweh….

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      • You can disagree all you want, I quoted you the scripture that is used in the bible..

        John 8:44 Christ told the jews they are of the devil- YES OR NO?

        Deuteronomy 23:2
        A *bastard* shall not enter into the Congregation of the Lord: even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the Congregation of the Lord.

        Bastard
        Strong’s Number H4464 matches the Hebrew מַמְזֵר (mamzer ), mixed population

        Deut 23:2 a bastard may not enter into Gods’s congregation – YES OR NO?

        You have bought into the lie that all of the people of the world are the same, they are not…The white race from Adam are Gods elect, his only begotten-

        2 Esdras
        And now, O Lord, behold, these heathen, which have ever been reputed as nothing, have begun to be lords over us, and to devour us.

        But we thy people, whom thou hast called thy firstborn, thy only begotten, and thy fervent lover, are given into their hands.”

        Thy first born would be from Adam…

        Thy ONLY begotten, Not the jews, not the blacks, not the browns, not the asiatics, But the white race from Adam.

        I don’t know what bible you are reading, but get a different one, because it’s all through the entire bible-

        Nehemiah 13:3
        When they heard the law, they removed from Israel all who were of mixed ancestry.

        Ezra 9:2
        For the men of Israel have married women from these people and have taken them as wives for their sons. So the holy race has become polluted by these mixed marriages. Worse yet, the leaders and officials have led the way in this outrage.”

        The leaders tell the world we are all the same, According to God, we are not-

        God had strictly forbidden his people from breeding with the other races or inter-marrying with them…

        The 7th commandment in Hebrew means ADULTERATED not ADULTERY as the bibles have intentionally mistranslated it ~ ADULTERATED means to POLLUTE your bloodline~

        Deut 7:4
        Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons.

        Nehemiah 10:30
        “We promise not to give our daughters in marriage to the peoples around us or take their daughters for our sons.”

        Ezra 9:12
        Therefore, do not give your daughters in marriage to their sons or take their daughters for your sons.
        Do not seek a treaty of friendship with them at any time,”

        Genesis 5 (KJV)
        This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him*

        THE ENTIRE BIBLE IS WRITTEN TOO THE DESCENDENTS OF ADAM and applies to no one BUT them.

        1 Peter 2:9
        But you are a chosen race a priesthood of kingly lineage, a holy nation, a people belonging specially to God.

        If Gods words bother you, then you are not one of Gods people-

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  8. * Earth and cosmos are millions and billions of years old – Murray definitely denies that the earth is recent creation. He must do this in order to have an immense prehistory for a rebellion to take place… he also does it win over scientifically minded people who really don’t like the thought of the earth being young. However, creation is as old as the bible states, or it is all a lie.”

    In order for the bible to be true, the earth must be millions of years old, we have carbon dated asiatic remains 1.4 million years old, we have negroes 70,000 years old, yet the white race goes right to the bible…7,514 years ago to be precise, there is no conflict between the bible and science, the conflict is in mans stupidity…

    The bible states Yahweh created the heavens and the earth, what it never once tells you is when he did that…

    YOU are the one that is wrong, not the bible, nor the scientist…

    You would have had to read all the way to chapter 1 of Genesis verse 28 to realize the earth was not a new creation…To far for you read?

    28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and **replenish the earth**, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.”

    I don’t know about you but I do know in order to replenish something it must have been previously full, right?

    Ooops, looks like you 6,000 year old people are what I like to call, WRONG!

    When Cain was kicked out after killing Abel, he told Yahweh all who find me will slay me, WHO was he talking about, according to you 6,000 yr old folks there should have been no one else on the earth but them, YET, Yahweh had to mark Cain so he wouldn’t be killed, RIGHT? RIGHT!

    Cain made his way over to the land of Nod, where he found enough people and built an entire city, HOW CAN THAT BE according to you folks the earth is empty at that time….

    Simple, all of you 6,000 yr old earth people are 100% WRONG!

    Adam and Eve were merely the start of a new race, the blacks, the asiatics, they were all upon the earth and were all pre-adamic, and all through the bible Yahweh commanded his white race not to intermarry with them, not to give their sons and daughters unto them, and as I already showed you, a mixed race mongrel can never enter into Gods kingdom, when God says even until his 10th generation he may not enter, he really means NEVER!

    You HERETICS that teach universal salvation and mongrelization of Gods only people upon this earth From his son Adam are going to be in some deep crap on judgement day…

    WOE TO YOU PASTORS WHO SCATTER MY SHEEP…Gonna be a fun day for you!

    I could rebuke every single point you made in your message, but honestly why bother…

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  9. You quote Esdras and then say God’s word bothers me – you probably consider the book of Enoch to be God’s word too. God’s word doesn’t bother me. Your deluded interpretation of what God’s word means does.

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  10. I have listened to many Pastors and I have never found one of them I felt had it down 100%. I listen to Shepards Chapel as I believe they are honest and preach what they truly believe. I don’t take in everything that is taught but consider what is said and make my own decision as everyone should. I never put my faith in anyone Human. The only one I absolutely trust is God. I don’t and never have understood the trinity. However I believe in Gods word and believe in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Rather than trying to understand it to the degree some demand, I accept it as Gods word and wait to be enlightened. I have learned a great deal listening to Pastor Murray but view him as a man and nothing more. What does puzzle me is your obsession with Shepards Chapel. Your accusations seem to be a matter of belief rather than anything else. Why not go your own way and leave others to their belief?

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    • I’ve actually brought up some very important concerns regarding this man and his teaching. I don’t think you grasp the reason for this blog – it is to expose his falsehoods and warn others. If I come across as sharp and critical then so be it.

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      • You don’t come across as sharp and critical, you come across as delusional and ignorant, big difference-
        Fact is you want to believe what you want to believe and what you believe is wrong, you just can’t accept that you are wrong-

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      • oh, what a relief then. I have spent many sleepless nights wondering rather or not my words didn’t offend some poor soul. Well, if I’m ignorant and deluded then I guess I’m no worse of than you.

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      • If your reasoning is to warn others then why are you so argumentative? This will accomplish nothing. The Holy Spirit is pretty good at speaking in a manner that draws people not push them to arguments.

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  11. Ok, I thought you spent all this time to help people. I didn’t get past the first few sentences. When you said, ” Murray’s crazed disciples ” This sent up a red flag. If you were indeed writing to help people who are being mislead by Murray’s teaching perhaps you would have used different wording. This sticks out to me as someone who is using Murray’s fame to draw attention to your own writings. Or it is someone wanting an argument. I am not 100% sure of your intentions but I pray God will lead me.

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    • Of course I’d love to help people but my main reason for the blog is to honor God. I can assure you, worse things have been said – religious delusions make people unstable. The true Murray devotees will never let go of his teaching no matter what I say. The term “Crazed disciple” is pretty accurate for them – I was once one and I’ve met quite a few. Maybe someday I will use more pleasant wording or edit a few things but for now I’m still pretty agitated with this cult and I may not say things in a way that makes people happy.

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  12. The only thing that I felt that I did wrong by listening to Murray was I felt exhalted thinking that I knew some secrets that other people did not. I thought I was part of the elect and destined for glory. This was my own ego speaking. I put too much thought on one subject and let the rest of the Bible take a back seat. I do not think it was because of Murray though, All I concentrated on was the end times and the anti-Christ. I neglected the basics. I have since repented of all this.

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  13. Jerome ask God Himself to reveal Himself to you by His Spirit and He will. Invite Him to guide you to the church that He wants you to attend and He will. God wants to help you to know Him personally, to have a personal relationship with Him. Pray that He enlighten you thru His Word by His Spirit and prevent you from being deceived and misled and He will.

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    • He certainly didn’t stop you from being deceived…
      Ask God to reveal himself to you? What kind of crackpot statement
      is that? You do realize that is completely opposite of what scripture says right..

      Let Gods word be true and every man OR woman a liar~

      Jeremiah 31:34:
      No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another,
      ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know me, from the least
      of them to the greatest,” declares the LORD.

      According to God, ALL of his people know him…

      And Church in the bible is the word “Ecclesia” and it means a called individual,
      not a building somewhere with a group of deluded people…

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  14. Hey timothy. I was searching the net this morning and came across your blog. This comment really has nothing to do with my walk with the Lord although I wI’ll tell you I’m not the smartest bible scholar but I do ok. I just wanted to say it seems your very bitter about pastor Murray. Even tho he has stirred up a lot of controversy I would make my point and move on. I am not judging you sir what if you were wrong about one thing. I do in my own opinion disagree with you on several points but because I happen to interpret it differently then you do. But you will be in my prayers to let all this go. Because if Pastor Murray is wrong then don’t you think God can handle him. And even if for the sake of more mean and bitter words said. But if Pastor Murray would cause one of his children to stumble, does our heavenly Father punish that person. Do you or anyone reading this blog know what’s in anyone’s heart that seeks God thru any pastor false or otherwise ? God bless you sir you will be in my prayers !

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    • Bitter towards false religion Jamie – have you ever felt robbed? I was robbed through this cult as many are being robbed today. By God’s grace I HAVE moved on but I will not forget those people who are still being deceived. My goal is make the loudest shout against this cult that can be heard, loud enough to wake people up. And loud enough to scare those who would get caught up…

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  15. What we have here in Timothy is a false student who has gone on to become a false teacher.
    Timothy, you exhibit many of the same traits of the pharisees who plotted the death of Christ, twisting His words to say what He did not say, projecting onto Him their own evil and vain imaginings- ascribing to Him motives and sentiments/spirits not in evidence. All while claiming for themselves the mantle of righteousness. Also, you equate coincidence with correspondence. The fact that Hitler or other racist idiots believe something that may be true- i.e., the serpent seed doctrine, doesn’t invalidate that truth or render everyone who also observes that genocidal maniacs.
    1) Murray has expressly said NOT to believe him or any man but to check out the scriptures yourself, even ending his program with the admonition to ” Stay in His word, you know why? Because Jesus is The Living Word!”. That you chose to place your confidence in the man was your own error.
    About the worst thing I’ve seen is that they’ll mangle the pronunciation of some difficult to pronounce name or flub/misread a word here or there, which, since the text is plainly displayed is easy enough to correct for.
    Other than that, I’ve found S.C. very edifying and informative, more so than most.
    2) Many times Murray has reiterated God’s pronouncement that the creation of the 6th day man, the ethnos or races, was good. These being hunter-gatherers, God felt the need for someone “to till the soil”, hence the 8th day or Adamic man. This also relates to the need for a people to carry forth the concept of monotheism or a supreme being and the gospel of salvation.
    3) The Kenites would be included on the Ark to fulfill the negative part of God’s plan. Also, they too, and any of the other races can come to salvation, as Murray points out.
    4) In order to preserve the ethnos or races, it would have only been necessary to include one male and female of each. That because, coincidentally, it was only necessary to include one male & female of @ animal, and that this somehow constitutes racism on Murray’s part is slander and an unwarranted insinuation.
    5) The whole point about the Kenites is that they are not Jews- who were descendants of Adam. As their name indicates- descendants of Cain whose father was Satan. They wormed their way into the priesthood thru the house of Rechab during the Exodus (1 Chr. 2:55). These would later become the priests who conspired to kill Jesus and about whom Jesus said:

    “If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.” -John 8:39;

    “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”- John 8:44;

    “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie”
    -Rev. 3:9.

    6) Have you read about the Great Apostasy (2Thess. 2:-) or the 5 foolish virgins? They are people like yourself who believe that they are Christians who will fall for the False Christ because they preferred the traditions of men and doctrines of demons (“The Rapture”) over sound doctrine. Obviously, they can’t be the ” elect” who aren’t deceived or tempted by the ” strong delusion”.

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    • Noah’s flood did not cover the earth..Moses never wrote that it did, he wrote that it covered the “erets” which in Hebrew means that land…The flood was in the Tarim basin just below the Pamir Plateau where Eden was located…

      The translators made the same mistake throughout the bible, In Genesis 4 after Cain was told to leave Eden he told God today thou hast driven from the face of the earth…Clearly Cain was not driven from the earth, he was driven from that Erets, i’e that land…

      The flood was in Genesis 6, standing with Abraham in Genesis 15 were the Kenites, i’e the sons of Cain, they were not killed in the flood…Neither were the pre-adamic negroes and the asiatic mongols..

      Genesis 1/26 and 27 was the creation of Adam, as opposed to the formation of the spirit Adam in Genesis 2…Both were white, one born with a spirit the Adam of Genesis 2, and one created without a spirit those are the creations from Genesis 1…Christ told you how to tell them apart, Ye shall know them by their fruit~

      The negro race has been on the earth over 600k years, scientifically proven, the Asiatic mongols are the oldest at 2 million years plus…Neither are of God, the scriptures tell us that the fallen angels corrupted all flesh upon the earth, the negroes evolved from apes just as science has proven, the asiatics are fallen angel animal mutations, hence why they look so bizarre…They don’t look like that because of where they live, it’s because of their DNA..

      The bible was written to just one people…

      Genesis 5:1
      This book is the race of Adam.

      It is not the book of the negroes, nor the asiatic mongols and God rejects all mixed races
      of all of the above combined together…

      The battle being fought is between satan’s offspring the jews and Gods offspring the race of
      Adam from Genesis 2, They are Gods literal children on this earth in flesh bodies just like my
      oldest brother the Christ, who was also the Adam from Genesis 2, the first-born among many
      of his BRETHREN who were sent to the earth to bring salvation to mankind~

      You quoted John 8, but you left out verse 47 where Christ told the jews *ye are not of God,* because the jews are satan’s literal offspring through his son Cain, 1 John 3:12..

      If you can’t identify the people the bible warns us of, you can’t win the war…

      Salvation means brought to safety…God sent his sons from heaven to the earth and they have brought
      mankind salvation, Here, while they are living, not after they die…They are creations, they have no spirit therefore when their flesh dies they are finished, done, it’s over for them..

      Redemption on the other hand means getting back what was once owned and what was lost…

      We once had immortality, Adam traded that to satan when he engaged in sex just as Eve did…
      Christ came ad redeemed us, he got back what we lost, we are the only ones who ever had immortality and we are the only ones who will ever get that back, we are awaiting the return of our immortal light bodies, right here on this earth it will happen at the appointed time…The whole world of created people are awaiting that day, for then the world will be run correctly, right after God destroys all of satan’s offspring, he said not even one will survive…

      Romans 8:19:
      For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed.

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      • Who would I rather believe, you, or Christ?

        Matthew 23:35:
        34″Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,

        35so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

        36″Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

        That Christ was talking to the jews…Read it a few times…SO THAT YOU
        MAY FALL THE GUILT OF ALL THE RIGHTEOUS BLOOD FROM WHO?
        YES, FROM ABEL, WHO KILLED ABEL, CAIN, The jews are the Kenites, the children of Cain
        and they were standing there with Jesus Christ…Were they all killed in the flood….Like I said, I believe
        Christ over you~

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      • you believe in Murray’s foolish interpretation – the Jews Christ was referring to were the unbelieving children of Abraham which spiritually were of their father the devil, not physically, big difference

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    • The Bible alone and in its’ entirety is the final authority and interpreter of scripture.
      Many people believe as you do that they are agents of and indwelled by the holy spirit. Many will have a rude awakening on Judgement Day. Take the Muslims (please!!!).
      I’m as fed up as you are, perhaps moreso, about all the false teaching and teachers, only I apply that to you, not Murray.
      You may want to seriously consider that you yourself are a Kenite .and like the pharisees who plotted Jesus’ death are naturally opposed to God and His Truth. Who but a Kenite would be so zealous in denying their existence?

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      • Why don’t you address the issues I brought up in the comment instead of accusing me of not having the Holy Spirit. I have made my profession of faith in Jesus Christ in many places on this blog…

        “In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. ” – Ephesians 1:13-14

        The Lord himself specifically called me to expose the Shepherd’s Chapel cult – and I have been endeavoring to do just that by His grace for nearly 2 years on this blog – but even more so since 2005. I will continue and will raise the pitch, promised. Your accusation is all the more reason for me to continue.

        This blog receives hundreds of hits per day – if I applied myself more wholeheartedly to it I can assure you it would be much more. This blog is demolishing the lies of Shepherd’s Chapel and bringing honor to Jesus Christ.

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  16. Reverse Interlinear
    English (KJV) [?] Strong’s Root Form (Hebrew) Parsing

    And the waters
    h4325
    מַיִם mayim

    prevailed
    h1396
    גָּבַר gabar

    exceedingly
    h3966
    מְאֹד m@`od

    h3966
    מְאֹד m@`od

    upon the earth
    h776
    אֶרֶץ ‘erets

    Lexicon :: Strong’s H776 – ‘erets

    Transliteration
    ‘erets
    Pronunciation
    eh’·rets (Key)

    Outline of Biblical Usage
    country, territory district, region

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    • The water prevailed above the highest mountain sir, how does that occur without a global flood?

      “For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.” – 2nd Peter 3:5-7

      Peter said the whole world was destroyed, and the whole world will be destroyed again – argue with the apostle.

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      • Peter said the ERETS was destroyed, that land…Do you really think Peter saw the entire earth from Canaan land..Did he use his trusty old satellite system to view the entire earth in it’s entirety…At that time they thought they were the entire earth..

        Mount Everest is 6 miles high, if the water rose over 6 miles high, where did it run off too?

        How did the fresh water and the salt water become separated…Shouldn’t it all be just one water…
        Why are there no water marks on the Pyrmids…Enoch and Job built the Pyramid of Giza, there are no water marks on it…The myth of the global flood is being kept alive so no one will realize that the jews who are the Kenites and worshipped by most Christians as Christ said not to do, are indeed the physical children of satan…They want the world to believe they were all killed in the flood, and not their local banker or accountants today…

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      • You don’t believe the bible. Genesis 7-8 means what it says. In fact, there is an inordinate amount of scientific evidence that the flood was global, just like the bible said. Peter said the earth that God created in Genesis 1:1 is the same earth he destroyed in the flood – examine the context a little more carefully.

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      • The Jews are not Kenites. The flood of Noah was to get rid of the first influx of geber- the mighty, the giants, hybrids. The 2nd influx of giants, offspring of nephilim, was for the Jews/Hebrews to destroy but they disobeyed God didn’t kill all the inhabitants of the land(s).Now their descendants are running around blowing everything to hell.

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      • You assume that Genesis 6 and Numbers are talking about hybrid beings… how do you know that? I think there is a better, more consistent interpretation. I’m not sure what you’re saying though, are you calling the offspring of nephilim kenites? Nephilim, or giants, were simply wicked men some of the giants later in the old testament were also large in stature – this doesn’t mean they were hybrids.

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  17. re:you believe in Murray’s foolish interpretation – the Jews Christ was referring to were the unbelieving children of Abraham which spiritually were of their father the devil, not physically, big difference.

    I don’t follow Murray at all, he is wrong in much of his theology, just like you are…

    You don’t understand the entire premise of the bible, not surprising though, that puts you in amongst nearly all who call themselves Christians today who really are NOT~

    I’ll make this real simple for you since you are still on babies milk and meat would cause you to choke…

    AFTER, Satan had sex with Eve, God told her and satan the following:

    Genesis 3:15
    15 I will put *enmity* between you and the woman,
    and between *your offspring and hers;* he will strike your head,
    and you will strike his heel.”

    Do you understand that, Between YOUR offspring satan, and YOUR offspring Eve, the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent, spiritual my ass!

    The entire bible rests on that one verse, the hatred between Gods children and satan’s children brings the war for God’s kingdom here on earth, NONE of Gods real children like the jews, I absolutely hate them…Just as my Father in heaven made me that way…Didn’t quite no why until I spent many many years learning the scriptures inside and out…

    Cain was not Adams son, he was satan’s boy…

    1 John 3:12
    We are not to be like Cain who was a child of that *wicked one* and killed his brother.

    Adam was Gods son, Luke 3:38, he certainly was not that wicked one was he…Uless of course you think God is wicked..

    Christ identified the jews several times as being those offspring of the devil..

    They tried to BS him into believing they were the true Israelites, he knew they were not…

    John 8 Christ speaking to the jews:

    38 I speak that which I have seen with *my Father* and ye do that which ye have seen with *your father.*

    Two different Fathers, Christ was also Adam, He knew exactly who the jews were..

    43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

    44 *Ye are of your father the devil* and the lusts of your father ye will do.

    *He was a murderer from the beginning* and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
    When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    WHO was the murderer from the beginning, that would be Cain who killed Abel..And Christ told us the jews are his offspring..

    47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, *because ye are not of God.*
    48 *Then answered the Jews,*

    You got that, because ye are not of God…Gods son was Adam, the good seed, the jews are not from Adam, but from Cain..

    Matthew 23:35:
    That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
    from the blood of righteous *Abel unto the blood of Zacharias* son of
    Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

    AGAIN Christ identified the jew Pharisees as being the offspring of Cain who killed Abel…Theywere not killed in any flood…

    Lets tie this up with a nice bow~

    Matthew 13:

    36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

    37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

    38 The field is the world; the *good seed are the children of the kingdom* but the *tares are the children of the wicked one*

    39 The *enemy that sowed them is the devil* the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

    40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

    John 8:44
    Ye are of your Father the devil.
    Then answered the jews.

    I made it so simple a child can understand this, From the very beginning in Genesis 3 where satan seduced Eve all the way to Christ identifying the jews as the seed of the devil, sewn by the enemy, his offspring that God himself put hatred between..

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  18. re:The Jews are not Kenites.

    The Kenites are the offspring of Cain, and Christ said the jews are the Kenites…Who should I believe, you or Christ…I think I’ll stick with Christ, John 8:44 so simple a child can even understand it, YET, Nearly 10 out of 10 Christians for some bizarre reason can not~

    And the flood was sent to kill off all of the mixed race people…The bastards of the bible, the same ones God forbids for more than 10 generations…When you see a mixed race person, you are looking at a spiritless hybrid~ They are the ones who have the mark of the beast, they were born with it~

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    • Absurd. You prove my statements about racist religion – I always said that Murray’s teaching give vindication to Identity doctrines therefore they gravitate to him like moths to a flame. Are you interested in understanding the meaning of the text, or just interpreting it to support your racist viewpoint? The flood was sent to punish mankind for it’s wickedness. There was only one physical race before the flood, the race of Adam. God’s chosen covenant people began to marry unbelievers and it resulted in apostasy and judgment.

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      • Absolutely ridiculous…Adam was white, God performed a split mitosis DNA clone of Eve and she too was white…Two white people would never give birth to anything other than white people for all eternity…God said he hath made but one blood, and he did, it’s in the white race, what he didn’t make are all of the other blood types,unless of course you believe we all have the same blood, which we do not..

        The negro race has been on this earth over 600k years, the asiatic race over 2 million years…Gods son Adam was born 7,518 years ago…The youngest of all races and the fewest of all peoples on the earth, only 9% of the global population, Just as God said, my people are the fewest…You don’t seem to grasp that the bible is a book of race, not about believing anything, you were given all of the ancestry for a reason..And all of Gods elect will be saved regardless of what they do or do not do while they are on this earth…

        When Cain left Eden in Genesis 4, what was the first thing he did, found a wife, got married, Had a son Enoch and built a city, explain how he did all of that without other people on the earth…Did he go back and marry Eve his mother, according to you people who believe Adam and Eve were the only ones on the earth he had to marry his own mother because they had no daughters at that time…

        Genesis 1 is not the start of the earth, it was merely the start of a new race of people introduced on the earth, the white race from Gods son Adam, those from the Adam of Genesis 2, those with Gods spirit verses those in Genesis 1 without…You don’t get a spirit by asking for one, you are either born with or without, those without have the mark of the beast…

        Your believing theory is a joke, BECAUSE all of Gods elect were pre-destined to believe, others can say they believe all they want, but unless they are the TRUE Christians, the Christos, the anointed done by God their belief is for nothing~ Hence why Christ said many will come to me on that day and I will tell them to depart from me for I never knew you~

        All of Gods elect are his literal offspring in heaven, that stood with him while he created the earth, watched it live…The created people are just that, creations and nothing more~

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      • Eve is the mother of ALL living. It is safe to say that the Apostle Paul, Apostle to the gentiles would reject Identity teaching…

        And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;” – Acts 17:26

        The system of false religion you are ensnared will eventually drag you to hell. The blog is for you – I have dealt with everything you bring up. I advise you to do some serious soul searching and start over, pray for God to open your eyes to see it. Pray that conviction would fall upon your heart and that the Lord would have mercy on by the blood of Jesus Christ.

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  19. Ezra 9:2
    They have taken some of their daughters as wives for themselves and their sons, and have mingled the holy race with the peoples around them. And the leaders and officials have led the way in this unfaithfulness.”

    Common sense is needed here, If the race of Adam is the Holy Race, and it certainly is…

    Guess what the other races are….The UNHOLY races…Mix the race of Adam with the UNHOLY races and what do you get…A hybrid, a spiritless beast, Hence why Yahweh said my spirit will not always strive with man, Every mixed race person destroys the temple of God, they are the broken cisterns that can hold no water, Race mixing is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, the real unforgivable sin, of which can never be fixed, Hence why it’s unforgivable~

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    • You presuppose that there is a distinct 6th day creation of the races and an 8th day creation – Adam was the only physical race in existence at the time of the flood. But seriously, are you for real? You sound like an Aryan troll or something. I’m caucasian, but my best beloved friend is mixed race – his mother is black and dad whom he never knew was white. His name is Ted. I found him at the park one day getting ready to commit suicide and the Lord Jesus Christ saved him and we’ve gone to the inner city many times to share the gospel with some of these beasts and unholy races you talk about. You don’t have the slightest clue of what you’re talking about and I pray the Lord Jesus Christ shows you the error of your way.

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      • RE:You presuppose that there is a distinct 6th day creation of the races and an 8th day creation

        BS, God did not create any of the races except for the white race…The Adams of which is not a singular man but the description of an entire race…Your problem, and you are loaded with them, is you actually believe that all people upon the earth came from two white people, which is 100% asinine!

        Get this through your thick skull, God did not create ANY race except the white one…All through the bible it tells about race, yet you in your deluded liberal thinking can’t understand this…

        Genesis 5:1
        This book is the race of Adam

        1 Peter 2:9
        For ye are a chosen race, a people belonging especially to God.

        Want more?

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      • Excuse me, what I am calling races you’re calling beasts, subhumans or something else – I don’t understand a lot of what you’re getting at, and it’s not because I’m liberal.

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      • As for your friend Ted, he is forbidden from Gods kingdom….

        Deuteronomy 23:2

        A bastard shall not enter into the Congregation of the Lord: even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the Congregation of the Lord.

        Bastard
        Strong’s Number H4464 matches the Hebrew מַמְזֵר (mamzer ), the mixed population, mongrel, half breed

        God had strictly forbidden his people from ever race mixing with the pre-adamic peoples that were on the earth– Once done, you may NOT enter into Gods kingdom, 10 generations is his way of saying never…

        Genesis 9:5
        And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man.

        Got that, Hand of every beast, hand of every man…Two distinct beings

        asiatic, mixed race or black = Beast, I didn’t write it, I’m just telling you the way it is-

        White Man = MAN which is what the Hebrew word AW-DAM means…The King James just translates it as man.

        God doesn’t like race mixing at all..

        Leviticus 18:23
        Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto.

        He isn’t talking about a buffalo, animals have sex standing!

        No mixed marriages allowed:

        Deut 7:4
        Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons.

        Ezra 9:2
        For the men of Israel have married women from these people and have taken them as wives for their sons. So the holy race has become polluted by these mixed marriages. Worse yet, the leaders and officials have led the way in this outrage.”

        What do the leaders in Government tell us all, We are all the same, No different from one another, LIES straight from the pit of hell where you are going for helping the devil..

        God didn’t even want the pre-adamic people living among his people-

        Ezra 9:12
        Therefore, do not give your daughters in marriage to their sons or take their daughters for your sons. Do not seek a treaty of friendship with them at any time,

        Nehemiah 13:3
        When they heard the law, they removed from Israel all who were of mixed ancestry.

        God told his people, mixed races, REMOVE THEM..

        Here is what God calls children who are not white, strange.

        Hos 5:7
        They have dealt treacherously against the LORD: for they have begotten strange children: now shall a month devour them with their portions.

        race mixing produces STRANGE children, They didn’t have 4 eyes, or 2 noses, they were of a mixed race, non-white, in Gods eyes, they are STRANGE and not of his seed..

        All through the bible God said KIND AFTER KIND ONLY– DO NOT MIX!

        Jeremiah 2:21
        For on every high hill And under every green tree You have lain down as a harlot.
        I planted you myself as a choice vine, from the very best seed. How did you turn against me into a degenerate and foreign vine? What more could I have done for My vineyard than I did? Why, when I expected a yield of good grapes, did it yield worthless grapes?

        Gods vineyard started with ADAM his son from his very own seed, the best…Once mixed with the pre-adamic people in Gods eyes it’s then worthless..

        Matthew 7:6
        Ye may not give that which is holy to the dogs, nor cast your pearls before the swine, that they may not trample them among their feet, and having turned — may rend you.

        He isn’t talking about 4 footed dogs or pigs, he is telling his disciples do not GIVE THE GOSPEL to anyone but the Adamites…Christ also said the same very thing-

        Revelation 22:15
        Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

        Four legged dogs are not sexually immoral nor do they practice magic arts, he is talking about 2 legged people/dogs…

        Philippians 3:2
        Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

        Once again describing people not of the Adamic race-

        Matthew 15:26
        Jesus replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

        Christ would not share the word of God with anyone but the white race, Jesus is refered to in the bible as the SECOND ADAM from God..

        It’s a shame you can’t understand the bible, that means it was not written to you, most likely you are a mere creation~

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      • You’re an expert racist I will give you that. But you don’t understand the bible at all. Murray doesn’t teach anything like what you’ve shared. Is this what Swift himself taught? Or is this just your own peculiar variety of Christian identity? Does anyone teach what you’re communicating or is it just you?

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  20. re:You assume that Genesis 6 and Numbers are talking about hybrid beings… how do you know that? I think there is a better, more consistent interpretation. I’m not sure what you’re saying though, are you calling the offspring of nephilim kenites? Nephilim, or giants, were simply wicked men some of the giants later in the old testament were also large in stature – this doesn’t mean they were hybrids.

    A hybrid is a mix between one of Gods children who are walking this earth right now, and a non-adamic race person, the two unite, they will produce a hybrid child, a corruption, Gods spirit can not dwell in a hybrid child…

    ALL Mixed races are hybrids…The negroes have no spirit and neither do the asiatics…

    The kenites were simply the children of Cain, they are satan’s DNA and his literal bloodline, they are the TARES planted by the enemy sewn in amongst Gods Adamic wheat, they both look the same, but they are not…

    The jews are being gathered RIGHT NOW for the burning of the tares, hence why Netanyahu keeps calling for all jews to come to Israel, where God will then have the seed of Ishmael i’e Iran nuke them off of the map, he said not even one will survive…Not even one…

    If you read the bible you would know that it states the following:

    There is a race that was cast into the earth with the devil–The jews

    There is a race that was created on the earth–Whites from Genesis 1

    There is a race of fallen angel animal mutations — Asiatics & negroes

    And finally, there is a race that was formed in the earth, those are from Gods son Adam
    who were born of God in the heaven billions of years ago, and then sent to the earth to be
    born again through the race of Adam..The REAL meaning of born again..Just as Christ did
    many times.. Just as he told the jews, I am the root and the offspring of David..Christ was also
    Adam, Gods most beloved son and the very first of his many brothers that he sent to the earth…

    The only race God can place his children into are from the Adam of Genesis 2~

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    • That comment was addressed Robert. When I use the term hybrid in response to what he was talking about, I’m referring to the teaching of fallen angels having sex with women which is not biblical. I am trying to be patient with you, you have a psychotic fixation upon absurd and bigoted religious fantasies. I don’t see how you can sustain yourself with the things you’re spewing out here… how are you not driven to despair by your own thoughts?

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  21. re:Eve is the mother of ALL living. It is safe to say that the Apostle Paul, Apostle to the gentiles would reject Identity teaching

    BS. that was ADDED much later to the scriptures…

    EXCERPT TAKEN FROM:

    ADAM WAS NOT THE FIRST MAN

    by Dr. Bertrand L. Comparet

    Many people have become agnostics because of the supposed conflict between the Bible and science. In truth, there is no conflict at all between a correct translation of the Bible and really proven science, not just unproven theories. One of these supposed conflicts is between the fact science knows human beings have lived on the earth far longer than the few thousand years covered by the Bible and the common belief that the Bible records Adam was the first man. Yes, I know most of the preachers say that, but the Bible doesn’t, it merely says Adam was the first white man. Let’s look at the record.

    The many mistranslations in the King James Bible obscure much of the truth. For example Genesis 1:1-2, “In the beginning, Yahweh created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep.” In the Hebrew it says, “Now the earth had become chaotic and empty.” (See Rotherham’s Emphasized Bible) Some early catastrophe had wrecked the earth, which was not without form and void before that. This was a judgment of Yahweh on earlier civilizations, for their wickedness. Jeremiah 4:23-27 gives a vision of it. “I beheld the earth and lo, it was without form and void; and the heavens and they had no light. I beheld the mountains and lo, they trembled and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld and lo, there was no man and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of Yahweh and by His fierce anger. For thus hath Yahweh said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.” Therefore we do find buried ruins of cities older than Adam and skeletons which can be dated by the carbon 14 process as many as thousands of years older. The Bible itself tells us about this.

    Next the Bible tells us about the creation of men, in the plural in Genesis 1:26-28 saying, “Male and female created He them and Yahweh told these people, Be fruitful and multiply and replenish [actually fill] the earth”. Plenish is an obsolete English word meaning to fill. You cannot replenish what was never plenished, or filled, before. In Genesis chapter 2, we find the Adam (in the singular) created. The Hebrew word aw-dawm, rendered Adam in English, is from a root word meaning to show blood in the face or of a ruddy complexion, a word obviously not applicable to the dark races, which we also know from scientific evidence to be much older than the white race. Bible scholars know Genesis 3:20, “And Adam called his wife’s name Eve because she was the mother of all living”, is a later interpolation, which was not in the earlier manuscripts. (See Moffatt’s translation.)

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    • I apologize for calling you an Aryan Troll – I thought it was funny at the time, still do kind of. I understand where you’re coming from, used to believe some of it myself. I no longer accept your positions, I find them to be many would consider hateful.

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    • John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17″For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.”

      My Bible and every version I have ever owned states “All are welcome to salvation through Jesus Christ”. But I’m sure you will correct God when you proudly stand before him and impress him with all your knowledge.

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      • Not sure what you’re point is, did I deny that the gospel was for all? Murray denies the gospel when he teaches works based salvation. The information is quite helpful for people coming out of this cult… the Lord brought me out of it, I’m merely conveying what he taught me about it’s deceptions. Murray’s heresies are pretty severe and I don’t recall that he ever repented of it.

        Maybe one day you’ll see.

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      • My reply is to Genesis777 who stated only people of the white race will make it into Heaven. I’m glad the God I worship is big enough to love and save antone who will listen.

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      • My reply is to Genesis777 who stated only people of the white race will make it into Heaven. I’m glad the God I worship is big enough to love and save antone who will listen. I forgot to include my name in that last post

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  22. I will be publishing a testimony of another former disciple of the Chapel whom Jesus Christ delivered. You are captive to Satan’s lies this blog will help you get free from the mind control of false religion. You don’t know freedom until you get loose from all this mind binding garbage

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  23. Hi,

    I grew up in this church. I was baptized by Arnold Murray, and my family is still apart of the church. However, 7 years ago I broke free from Murray’s prejudice teachings. So I have many years of experience with this church, and all the things you’ve said that he teaches is completely true. Most of which is a bit bizarre and I haven’t believed that way in 7 years.

    Now that you know where I’m coming from, I just wanted to comment my opinion about your article.

    I understand that you disagree with Murray’s teachings, as do I. However, there are many, many, many interpretations of the Bible, and many different Christian denominations, all of which have different interpretations of the Bible. The truth is, the first writings for the Bible are around 3,500 years old and the last writings are around 2,000 years old. Can you imagine how much has happened and changed to those writings in that amount of time? Can we be certain that what we are currently calling the Bible is actually what was written that long ago?

    Not only have there been so many translations but when putting the scriptures together to make the current version of the Bible, the Catholic church left out scriptures and changed things in order to serve their teachings better.

    My only problem with this article is that you not only provide Murray’s teachings and say that they are ridiculous, but you say that they are false teachings and that he has created his own religion. How do you think all the different denominations came about in the first place? Better yet, how do you think Christianity came about in the first place? Anyways, while doing this you make yourself no better than him by having an “I’m right you’re wrong” mentality. What do you think happens to those people who don’t believe the same way you do? Will they be tortured in hell?

    Do you know how many billions of people there are in the world that are not even Christian? Nearly 5 billion people automatically don’t believe the same as you. Then there is the question of how many of the 2.2 billion Christians don’t believe the same as you. Needless to say, it just boggles my mind how you think your view of these 3,500-2,000 year old writings is the absolute truth.

    Btw, since leaving Shepard’s Chapel, I have made my own “religion,” which I solely practice. I’ve determined how I want to believe by pulling from many different religions. By doing this I have learned tons about many different religions and have no prejudice against any of them. Even though my “religion” is unique and solely my own, I don’t think my way of thinking is the only way. I’m cool with people believing in the Christian god and the idea of heaven and hell. I still support my family with their Christian beliefs. I support my best friend with their Wiccan beliefs. And I support my other friends whose beliefs range from Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist and their own unique religions. I’m fine with people who have different religious beliefs than me. But what I’m not ok with is the, “my way of thinking is the only acceptable way,” mentality.

    To wrap up, lets say that just as you distinctly relied on the Holy Spirit to help you discern what is scriptural truth and what is not, I have relied on the Holy Spirt to guide me with my own religion. That of which doesn’t include believing in the “type” of god that is described in the Bible. I found that type of god to be vindictive, cruel, jealous, unreasonable and non-moral. To be honest if the Christian god sends me to hell for my beliefs, I’d rather spend my time there than spend an eternity with him.

    Anyways, I support your Christian beliefs and wish you the best of luck on this path. ~ Blessed Be and Namaste ~

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    • Here’s the thing – I have come out of this cult, and the Lord has given me the freedom to speak against it to help others… on this blog I have dealt specifically with these teachings and why they are so harmful. If there is anything I mentioned that you specifically want to address, say on. People need to be warned and warned specifically. False religion is deadly, it is destructive I don’t know what else to say to you.

      You have gone to the opposite extreme and accepted everything regardless of it’s truthfulness and invented your own religion, that is new age. That is the broad path that leads to destruction that Jesus talks about.

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    • Any/only true religion or valid spiritual tradition will open up ALL the chakras which are the manifold spirits of God. Islam and atheism could never open the higher chakras because they have no connection to God Very God, they are lies and all lies and false religion are Satanic. A true Muslim is required to convert or kill someone like you- a dog and a sorcerer (and harlot) in their book. The terrorist jihadis are the true Muslims- that’s Islam. If you don’t know that, you don’t know Islam. Where there is Islam, there’s murder and mayhem.
      The so-called peaceful Muslims aren’t true Muslims, that’s why the terrorist kill them too.
      You’ve judged Yahweh as “vindictive, cruel, jealous, unreasonable and non-moral” and you would have to judge Jesus so too, after all, He came to do the will of His Father God and to build His house. You’ve condemned the innocent and opened your heart and soul to lies and unbelief (atheism). You’re an example of someone who’s so open minded their brains fell out.

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      • The chakras are like transformers or transducers of energy and awareness. They are the agencies by which God transforms pure light and awareness into various creations. Each one covers a specific range of awareness and experience, also substance. They remain sub-operable, oriented towards the lower nature in the average, unregenerate person. They require a deep and abiding faith as well as extraordinary commitment to God Very God in order to officially open and reorient toward the divine.That’s the difference between Jesus, saints, and ordinary people. The powers and perceptions attendant on awakening are what enable them to perceive the unseen and work miracles.

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  24. Not sure if Genesis777 is still reading this. I just came across this site this morning. But I would be interested in knowing if you ever have had a DNA test done? I think you might find the results very interesting. I think you will find that indeed you have at least some small percentage of blood from these “souless hybrids” as you call them. What will you think at that point? I don’t think anyone is of any 100% pure blood line any more. It’s basically impossible as at least someone in all your generations has certainly been with another race many times hidden from others or unknown affairs. I am far from an expert on the Bible and strive to learn more everyday. But for the person who posted about making their own religion by taking from others I do know one thing and that is that Jesus himself states he is the “only way to the Father”. The Bible stands alone as only source that has prophecy being fulfilled at 100% accuracy. Not the Koran not anything else. That fact in no way can be disputed even by non believing atheists who have tried over the last few hundred years. Their statements keep getting knocked down one by one with new world events and new archaeological finds. The prophecies are so accurate they have even said like the Book of Daniel had to be written at a later date then said it was. But then oops the finds known as the Dead Sea Scrolls blew much of that out of the water. As did findings about the Hittites which was mocked for centuries as being fabricated until again another oops when archaeological digs found proof of them. But like i said I am no expert and would never pretend to be. In fact the more I learn the more I learn I don’t know.

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    • What you said in your comment is one of the reasons for this blog. There are no “soulless hybrids” – the giants of Noah’s day were wicked, but they had souls and they were no hybrids, just people like you and I. To say that hybrids exist today is to imply that there are people who have no souls… not a very evangelistic position to say the least. Even if I had a DNA test done, how could you prove that it was the DNA of a “soulless giant”? And what is “pure blood” anyway? Who concerns themselves with these issues – definately not me.

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  25. I was once a biology teacher. A big part of my study was genetics. Quite simply, In the punnet square cross between a homozygous dominant and a homozygous recessive parent, the resulting children would display the the dominant trait and would be “carriers” of the recessive trait. The recessive trait would not be obvious, until possibly the second generation.

    Arnold Murray taught that Christ came from a pure bloodline. Did he also teach that the very elect 7000 also come from an unpolluted bloodline?
    According to his teaching, can a pure bloodline contain any trace of disease carrier or otherwise?

    Please bear with me, I need more information on these two questions, because I believe can make an important point here.

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    • By Murray’s definition one of the “very” elect would need to be a physical descendent of Hebrew stock, whatever that is. I mean how could you prove it one way or another? According to the Chapel scheme there are those on earth today who are “giants” (pure hybrids) or a mixture of DNA more or less. And of course Kenites and those intermixed. This certainly disqualifies one – and being a bastard pardon my French. I don’t recall him giving specified information about this but the underlying premise is there, the elect must have a pure bloodline. I don’t recall him mentioning anything about disease – I would think he didn’t make an issue of whether the very elect have genetic defect

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  26. If we were talking physically pure blood, free from disease or defect. Anybody that is a student of the shepherd’s chapel who is even a carrier of a disease would have to wrestle with the thought that, through no fault of their own, they may contain “polluted” blood. And if they are not of the 7000 very elect, Murray (according to his teachings) has already condemned them to be fooled by the antichrist and will have to be saved by the other followers who are part of that 7,000. Correct? I mean that should really mess with someone’s mind if they were to believe that the pure bloodline was without physical defect.

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    • The 7,000 didn’t worship Satan at any point in the first earth age – the 144,000 did… how convoluted. These same 7,000 will not worship Satan in the tribulation. They are basically little gods. I’m sure most Chapel students that are really deep in this suspect they are one of the very elect regardless of their infirmity – I mean, what person would consider themselves a dupe? They cannot be decieved as the saying goes. The thing that messed with my head when I was in it was not so much physical or genetic problems but what tribe I was a descendent of; I could never settle this and spent many hours researching this trying to find a link. I became terrified that I was a descendent of Dan or something much worse. I dug up some incredibly weird information. But yes, the whole doctrine would push a person’s thinking in that direction though it is never directly stated

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      • “I became terrified that I was a descendent of Dan or something much worse.”

        Why?
        Children aren’t accountable for sins of the father, only their own. Furthermore salvation is available to all- Danite, Kenite, etc…

        Also, if a Kenite can come to salvation, there’s no reason God couldn’t elevate one to the elect and use them to denounce Satan. After all God uses whom He pleases, it would be the ultimate insult to Satan- having one of his own turn on him.
        Bloodline(s) only mattered up to Christ, since then, they don’t, and while it might be interesting to find the genetic Kenite marker, it’s academic.

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      • Also, it says the Anti / False Christ will “be helped by a little people”, what do you think the descendants of Cain will be doing when Great (many times) great Grandpa shows up?

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      • Robert, do you believe that it is possible that you will indeed be deceived by the antichrist? Do you feel that you are one of the 7,000 that Arnold Murray spoke of that will not be deceived? and Why?

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      • My brother-in-law holds a study group. He believes all of Murray’s teachings fully. One of his friends who studies with him said that they were some special elect because they did not have tattoos.

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      • Wow – yes these people exist; the thing that I’ve seen about the Chapel though that makes it unique, because it is decentralized it tends to be a cult incubator. It spins off a lot of related groups with some pretty weird and dangerous belief sets

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  27. In nature, there is a lot of examples of mixing species. When this occurs there is a high risk of disease and impotence in the offspring.

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    • Robert, do you believe that it is possible that you will indeed be deceived by the antichrist? Do you feel that you are one of the 7,000 that Arnold Murray spoke of that will not be deceived? and Why?

      Having my feet shod correctly, and forewarned as we are, as to what to expect- no.
      I find the doctrinal line from S.C.to be the most correct, especially in matters apocalyptic.
      The first supernatural host that shows up over Jerusalem will be the False Christ and minions.
      I’m fairly convinced that Satan will remain hovering in the clouds for most of the season he is loosed, probably trying to appear majestic, only descending to enter the temple after being unmasked by the elect.
      The number 7 represents completeness and 7000 the complete number of a group in view.
      When Christ actually comes He’ll land on the Mt. of Olives. No hanging about in the clouds for months while trying to sell seats on the “Rapture” Express.
      In the final analysis, the elect are as the elect do.

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  28. 7,000 is such a small number compared to how many students there currently are. And way more than 7,000 of the students probably think they are of the 7,000.

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