Resurrection Heresy of the Shepherd’s Chapel

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“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” – 1st Corinthians 15:51-52

The resurrection of the just and the unjust is bodily, physical and simulataneous… as Jesus said:

“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” – John 5:28-29

The Chapel teaches damning heresy regarding the resurrection of believers. They sneak this one in under the radar as they assail the pre-trib rapture doctrine…

As an aside, students often attack me as a pre-tribber. This is an absurd reflex response. I was raised Church of Christ and have NEVER believed in it to this day.

The teaching of a NON-PHYSICAL resurrection of believers is vintage doctrine of devils. Whenever you see someone teaching these things you have a bona fide wolf on your hands.

Murray made his claim to be fame by being the first televangelist to successfully assault the pre-tribulation rapture. It worked well for him, but as we’re about to begin to see he has used this as a method to jam a whole host of false doctrines down his students throats.

In any discussion of the rapture the debate comes back to a correct interpretation of Thessalonians 4:13-17. I will list the passage, explain Murray’s interpretation and then the correct understanding of the passage.

“But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.” – 1st Thessalonians 4:13

Paul is going to tell us about the state of the dead, particularly those who are redeemed, and what awaits…

“For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.” – 1st Thessalonians 4:14

Murray is going to assert that those who sleep in Christ receive their spiritual resurrection at death and those who alive at Christ’s coming are to receive a spiritual resurrection at the 7th trumpet.

At the time of death, flesh body goes back to dirt forever, case closed according to the Chapel. The bodily resurrection happens AT the second advent. It is not merely a spiritual resurrection and it includes everyone both the just and unjust.

The resurrection is physical and happens when Jesus Christ comes back at the end of the age…

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep…” – 1st Thessalonians 4:15

Murray unequivocally states: we won’t prevent, or precede them because they are already in heaven in their resurrected spiritual bodies. A subtle lie is taking place here that we need to unwind. This text is saying that WHEN Christ returns the order of the resurrection will be as follows:

1.) The resurrected bodies of the deceased saints will be caught up first, a physical resurrection…

2.) Those who are alive will be caught up soon afterwards at the time when Christ returns…

This is not what Murray is teaches at all. They essentially use this text to cram in a whole host of dangerous false doctrines while at the same time exposing the pre-tribulation doctrine.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:” 1st Thessalonians 4:16

Murray interrupts that the last part of that verse is parenthetical and points back to what he says happens when the believer dies. For him the dead in Christ are RAISED when they die, not when Christ returns. And that their resurrection is merely spiritual.

This whole teaching wreaks of Gnosticism…

The passage is very clear – at the time of Christ’s return, at the last day, the dead in Christ will be resurrected bodily for all to see… THEN those who are alive will be caught up. There’s more…

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” – 1st Thessalonians 4:17

They distort the bible to infinity. Murray asserts that the word “air” means another dimension, or the breath of life. And that the word “clouds” means a throng of people. That simply to say that the believers alive when Jesus comes back won’t meet the Lord in the air or be caught up into clouds but will be translated into a spiritual body/dimension while on earth… and thus begins the Murray’s millennium, which is none other than the Golden Age of Gaia or the antichrist millennium.

In closing: All, just and unjust are resurrected physically at the time of Christ’s return. The order of the resurrection being the dead in Christ first, then those who are alive.

Murray teaches that all believers are spiritually resurrected at death the flesh body being no more than dung never to be considered by God again. Murray teaches that believers who are alive will be raised spiritually to a new plane of existence while here on earth with the air representing a new dimension and the clouds a throng of saints…

If you’re trapped in this cult I beckon you to shake yourself free and pray for God to open your eyes to this deception.

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85 thoughts on “Resurrection Heresy of the Shepherd’s Chapel

  1. If your so good at figuring out the interpretation of scripture, why can’t you provide the Book, chapter and verse so people can compare the scripture with what your saying?  I mean no disrespect but I can not digest much of what you are interpreting.

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  2. Do u have a website or another blog where u are simply teaching YAH’S word without attacking anyone? It would be a bit easier to read if you aren’t constantly attacking another pastor.

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  3. Actually I have other teaching content available that has nothing to do with the Chapel but if you’re a Chapel student you won’t be the slightest bit interested.

    This blog is my testimony of what Jesus Christ has delivered from regarding this cult. The purpose of this blog is to help people get free from the bands of false religion… and if that means exposing religious charlatans then so be it. Seems like you have a problem with that.

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    • I have a problem with some of the stuff I hear coming from Shepherds Chapel. My husband says I am hearing wrong, “He is not saying that.” “You are misinterpreting what he is saying.” This really bothers me, as I think I understand what he is saying and I disagree.

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      • No. Murray is really saying what he is saying. This from Thessalonians is a perfect example. Get any study he does on this and you will see.

        Also, Murray really says that Satan had literal sex with Eve. He really says a race of Kenites that descended from that union control the world today. I feel for your husband, I was once where he was at. I bought everything Murray said hook line and sinker and the Lord caused me to vomit it all out. Don’t let your husband pull you into Murray’s delusional system of religion. Study up. Get specific with your husband about what he’s teaching and show him it’s wrong. For instance the gap theory and Katabole. Get acquainted with what he teaches but be ready to tear it apart scripturally.

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    • Tim I think Missy is asking you to provide a route to your other teaching. I would be interested in that as well.

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  4. […] * nonphysical resurrection for believers and Jesus Christ – this heresy is a big one, it shows us the strong gnostic undercurrents in Murray’s teaching. Murray commonly teaches that believers will experience no bodily resurrection. Murray teaches when a Christian dies, their spirit body resurrects and goes immediately to heaven and that is the resurrection. The flesh returns to dust forever. Murray teaches that Christ’s resurrection need not be bodily but was merely spiritual. YOU CAN READ MORE ABOUT THIS HERE. […]

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    • What about “from dust to dust ashes to ashes?” I love listening to Murray because he has got so much more figured out than anyone else I’ve ever read. But I cannot accept anything that does not make sense to me and if I have to wait to get it, I wait. Like Murray says “If you do not get it, put it on the shelf.” You can only believe what the Holy Spirit shows you. It cannot hurt to listen. But if man is physically resurrected, then it is with a divine body and not the old beastly body we have now. It would have to be a perfected physical body such as Christ had after he arose. I cannot believe that Christ/God resurrects dead dust from the grave, nor does he allow your soul to go into a grave. The soul goes to the gulf after you die, the good or the bad side. Abraham’s Bosom. The idea that makes sense is that you should be able to materialize your body like Christ in the Milennium, Unless it will not be necessary to do so. Maybe Christ only appeared in a physical form after he died so he could show us something. Like the graves opened up after he was killed/sacrificed.

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    • The spirit does return to God – but that is not the bodily resurrection. The flesh body does return to the earth and as Christ was raised bodily, so to shall we be raised bodily. Explain the New Testament and what it has to say about the resurrection.

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      • Same image different body is what I understood. Don’t get what your saying.. So people that are cremated are just screwed? Your saying your soul stays in the ground and the sprit leaves to the father?

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      • The soul/spirit returns to God in heaven. Question: was Christ raised physically? The scripture says in the resurrection we will have a body like His. If God has to reintegrate the substance of some cremated person, how is that a problem? It wasn’t a problem for Him to raise Christ from the dead in the body He died in. Murray denies the physical resurrection. He denies what the new testament teaches.

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  5. Wherw do you get, ” Golden age of Gaia”? Are you saying Murry is teaching this or are you? I have never heard Murray say such a thing. Also what does it mean to be absent from this body is to be present with the Lord? Your thoughts?

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    • the golden age of Gaia is the occult millennium. Murray teaches that his followers will rule on earth during the millennium. Murray’s millennium is a counterfeit. Even worse as there will be no earthly millennium – when Jesus returns the heavens and earth will be dissolved, then Judgment Day. So if the pagans are heralding a golden age, a utopia – and Murray is heralding an earthly golden age… put 2 and 2 together.

      Absent from the body means your spirit is in Heaven when you die. At the resurrection your body will be raised and glorified. Murray teaches that when you die you experience the resurrection. But the bodily resurrection doesn’t happen when you die, only when Jesus Christ returns. Murray denies a bodily resurrection and that is heresy.

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    • The Golden Age of Gaia is the little season spoken of in Revelation 20, where Satan is released for a season – at least that’s my understanding. The martyred saints reign in heaven with Christ right now, that is the millennium. When that time (the church age) is coming to an end, Satan will be loosed for a little season… the Golden age of Gaia, the antichrist millennium. That’s why Murray is in trouble.

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      • That’s your understanding?

        Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

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    • I went to that golden age crap your talking about, and that’s the very thing Murray teaches against! Thats the devils plan is to bring about this one world system and one world reliogn… He warns of things like this and how the devil will bring peace on earth, so I really don’t see how you can say he teaches that. You’ll know when Christ returns because Hes not coming to bring peace this time Hes coming to judge and all will be changed in a twinkle of a eye.

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      • No, Murray teaches an earthly utopia (premillennialism) that the new agers teach as well. He teaches that Christ will reign on earth during a golden age, the occultists teach the same. Murray is more closely aligned with the new age than you realize friend. The bible teaches that Christ reigns in heaven now and that at his return the earth and heavens will be dissolved and then Judgment Day. Premillennialism is from the pit of hell – when Murray talks about the millennial reign he can only be talking about the golden age of Gaia or the antichrist millennium, or Satan’s little season as Revelation 20 puts it.

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      • I’ve went back and read revelation:20 over and over, and even look into pre post and like you said people that think we’re living in the millennium now. And all through history there is this big debate, reading it for myself it sounds like there will be one, but who am I? It’s like I said earlier that Murray warns about satan coming first and you know when Christ returns you will be change.. So all the great scholars of the word of God couldn’t agree on this matter, so I don’t see us getting anywhere with this. Let me ask you this, do you believe satan will return with his angels before Christ return and we are to overcome them, and maybe even die for our beliefs?

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      • Well Matt, there is a TON of scripture that indicates that when Christ returns it will be Judgment Day. I can give you scripture after scripture. John 5:28 for instance. No where in Revelation Chapter 20 are told about an earthly reign – in fact John has a vision of something taking place in heaven. He say says he saw the SOULS. Those saints who overcame in this life and were martyred reign with Christ in heaven. In the future the bible teaches that Satan will be released for a short season at which point he orchestrate and unprecedented attack upon Christians, and yes many believers will die. Do I think you will see Satan and his angels personally during this time? No. But you will see the effect of them through their human agents.

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    • Murray denies the physical resurrection in a couple of places. One is in a Q&A of tape 506 on three world age. Q: Will physical bodies rise at Christ’s return?” A: No! They don’t. Why do you want it when you have your body before you came here. Those in the ground are never coming out.” Another is in the Rapture Theory tapes where in he says, “Many want to go out here and raise the old flesh body and use it all over again.”

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  6. You never heard him deny what? Give me the specifics of what you have never heard him deny or I won’t go any further with this. I have 20 years of experience with his teaching — I can assure you he denies the bodily resurrection of believers.

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    • He never denys Jesus resurrected! The flesh was changed, just like on the mount of transfiguration. Don’t get all bent out of shape. This is the kind of stuff that separates most Christians. And that’s why there’s so many churches. Lets focus on salvation, and let God be the judge.

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    • Sounds a little ilke the SDA teaching. That this earth will be ruined and satan and his fallen angels will be trapped here a thousand years.

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  7. Not bent out of shape – he waffles on the type of body Jesus had. He flat out denies that believers are raised physically. He teaches that the believers body is immaterial in the resurrection, but the scripture doesn’t teach that. It is a gospel issue – the ultimate promise of the gospel is our resurrection.

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    • It seems we could almost talk past each other. I have also heard Murry talk on the fallen Angels physically impregnating fleesh women. So is Murry saying the spirt is completely immaterial ? Or is i dint want to judge. this is a very difficult issue. almost brings in. issues of philosophies of physics vs metaphys… which makes me sick… i need a break from all this talk…

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      • I’m not talking past you – there is only so much I can type at one time and I have to be selective about how I answer. The bible is very clear, angels are spirit and they do not have procreative organs and are unable to have sex with flesh man. There is no philosophy and metaphysics involved – I can give you a ton of scriptural support for this. This is another vintage false doctrine of the Chapel, that fallen angels have sex and procreate with people.

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      • Maybe in an earlier time these angels did have the ability to “materialize” and have actual sex with woman. Who knows? That is the only way they could accomplish this procreation. Maybe God put an end to their ability to do so. How could we know for sure? If the Holy Spirit shows us. That is how. The Holy Spirit knows everything. Maybe the Spirit will share this knowledge with you, until he does you cannot know for sure. The Spirit shows all. Guides all. I’ve listened to Murray enough to also be “disturbed” with this doctrine of the pneuma body as he calls it, or we arising to Christ in the spirit body when he comes. Something does not quite ring true about it. I agree. I always wonder about a possible physical resurrection when Murray talks about it, too.

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  8. I really don’t think murry is or has any part in this “golden age of gaia”. I have tuned in to murrys show many times and i just can’t put what your saying with what i feel he is trying to teach. He teachs the millennium of christ after the tribulation and teachs those who belong to christ will help teach in this time. then the devil will be released to test for th last time a short time. i just can’t link what your saying about this Gaia cult with Murray. but ill spend sone time and cover this issue myself.

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    • Here’s the thing DK, the millennial reign of Christ is happening right now – when Christ returns the bible teaches the heavens and the earth will be dissolved and it will be judgment day. I can give tons of passages. There is no future earthly reign of Christ. You have misinterpreted Revelation 20. Premillennialism is madness – it is the fountainhead of so much error. If you realize this truth then you will understand what the Golden Age of Gaia is. It is the realization every religious traditions carnal utopia… CHRIST IS REIGNING WITH THE MARTYRED SAINT IN HEAVEN RIGHT NOW. That is the millennium. Murray says it’s future. The pagan new agers look forward to their occult golden age as well… dig deep, put it all together. Murray’s millennium is false, it coincides with the little season in which Satan is release.

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      • The Millennium can’t be now. Sorry. There are still wars, sickness, death. I guess the Bible lies then when it says we will inherit the earth, and other passages like that. The more you down grade Pastor Murray, the more I see how right he really is. The study in scripture would do you a world of good.

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      • The millennial reign is not happening right now. If so, where is satan? During the thousand year reign, satan is supposed to be cast into the bottomless pit, not having influence upon man and then let loose a little season. You are teaching heresy I would think.

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    • It surely won’t, because I’m not putting it on here for u to try & destroy! ! ! U r turning everything that Pastor taught, right back around, for uour own devilish gain!!! May u rot in HELL, FOR this!!! I read what all u said! You’ve found satanic Words to turn around the REAL TRUE WORD OF GOD!!! PASTOR IS where the beggar is, U will be in, over there, where the Rich man is!!! GOD BLESS U! For attacking such a Great Man!!! Your faith is in being able to discern, the truth from a lie!!! Not turn the Truth around so it may profit U devil!!! Shepherdschapel isn’t a cult! U r trying to began one!!!

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  9. Something else to think about. i have heard Murray say a time or two ” Jesus body was risen so that unbelievers couldn’t point and say, Jesus wasn’t raised from death, just go look his body is right their”. Now I’m not trying to say Murray was trying to teach this or that, that’s just the feeling i got from the point i feel he was trying to make. Is God or does God need us in our flesh and blood bodys in eternity ? I can’t say! Nor would i want to say. God can and will do his Will! I really don’t like talking much about these issues, but i have seen this argument or a time or two and it seems to bring about a big dived.

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    • Is the body that was crucified, the body that was raised from the dead? Thomas touched it – the disciples ate with Christ. Did that body ascend into Heaven? Is it at the right hand of the Father? Murray is saying that yes, God raised Christ’s physical body, but he needn’t take it into heaven… that is heresy. The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. It is important to God – Murray makes the same error as the gnostics who deny the importance of the physical body and make the spiritual body pre-eminent.

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    • I don’t deny that he was changed – but his physical body resurrected and is even in heaven today. Flesh and blood equals mortal body. Christ’s physical body put on immortality. Flesh decays, is mortal.

      If it were merely a spiritual resurrection his physical body would have decayed and turned back to dust. This didn’t happen. And in the same manner Christ was raised the bible teaches that our resurrection will be in like fashion. Murray says the flesh body goes back to dust and God is done with it forever. The bible doesn’t teach this. I teaches that God raises that body and glorifies it.

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  10. Sorry Timothy but I have never heard Murray say any of the things you accuse him of! Why did you leave him? And then why attack him as opposed to just ministering what you think is truth?

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      • You studied with the ministry for 20 years and then turned atheist and then were saved and figured out Murray was a liar. Hmmmm. Murray always said to never take his word for anything. What part about that didn’t you understand?

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      • I think you might be right about his denying a physical resurrection. He definitely down plays it by not mentioning it. But his real problem is that with all his knowledge he lacks the spirit. He does not have the Holy Spirit. He knows all this stuff he has figured out for himself, but he lacks the Holy Spirit. This is his problem. And it is THE PROBLEM. Because if you don’t have the Holy Spirit, your going nowhere fast. Your just not going to make it. That is reality.

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  11. You keep accusing Shepherds Chapel about being a false teacher. You never quote, from any of his literature any of what you accuse him of. Then you never prove from the Bible your stand on the issue. I think you are the one deceived. You are reading into many things that he says out of context. If you weren’t you would quote the sources and prove that he is saying these things. Some of the things you say he teaches, in fact, he points out are heresies and are false. You pick and chose what you want to hear and without proof your condemnation of him does not stand.

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  12. Murray most definitely believed what he taught and he encouraged others take his interpretation of scripture as truth of the highest degree. He can’t be excused from teaching falsely simply by saying don’t take his word for it. He speaks out of both sides of mouth when he says this to excuse himself from the guilt of misleading people.

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    • Of course he believed wha he taught, so do you. The Serpent Seed doctrine? The seed of the serpent was the lie that Adam and Eve would be like God so I figure Murray was wrong on that. Israel-Britain? I don’t believe that either. Study for yourself.

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  13. Show verses that refute his teaching and prove what he said was wrong. To just say it is heresy is heresy in itself if you can not provide proof. Show the context of his statement and the proof that what he said was inaccurate.

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      • Satan used scripture to tempt Jesus. Jesus used scripture right back. When you need to show someone is wrong in his/her teaching. You need to show both the exact words the person said. In context, and the proof, in this case, from the Bible, that Murray is wrong. (1 Thessalonians 4 is talking about resurrection, not a rapture. Paul clarifies this in 2 Thessalonians 2, that he was not talking about a rapture.)

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      • This is kind of my point. Are you studious and open enough that if a reasonable case were made from scripture that what Timothy is advocating is true would you change your mind? If you are unwilling to give a fair hearing to another viewpoint, then there is no reason for us to waste time in presenting our case before you. So I ask again, if we show you documentation would you believe us? If we gave you proof would you accept it?

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  14. If that which went into the ground is not raised out, that is not to say it cannot be then instantaneously changed or altered, you have NO resurrection. Rather it is a new creation. Because resurrection is so clearly taught in scripture that which is buried in the ground, body or ash, must be rematerialized and brought into the glorified state otherwise it is NOT resurrection.

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  15. 2Ti 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
    2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
    2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
    2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

    Strifes :G3163 : From G3164; a battle, that is, (figuratively) controversy: – fighting, strive, striving.

    Strive : G3164 : Middle voice of an apparently primary verb; to war, that is, (figuratively) to quarrel, dispute: – fight, strive.

    Meekness : G4236 : From G4235; gentleness; by implication humility: – meekness.

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    • Hi Del. Murray’s cult opposes the truth. Having been delivered from this cult I do the best that I can to convey the truth to the best of my ability. Does it seem to you that I am striving? Please give me some examples.

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  16. Hey, ex-murray “follower” here. I just want to say that I am so so glad the Holy Spirit led me out of this completely blasphemous so called church. I was misled mostly by the idea that we were a special group that knew the real truth and we were of the few who “got it”. It felt good to be a part of a family of like minded people, that’s what ultimately appealed to me. But as time went on, I grew more and more confused by the heretical and disgustingly false teachings of Murray. I was a member of various social media groups who identified themselves as ” Shepherd’s Chapel students” for about four years. But something always gnawed at me and I felt like I was dumb and couldn’t possibly come to the knowledge of the “Truth” Murray taught. Particularly the serpent seed doctrine and how Murray claimed Satan had sex with Eve in the garden and that Cain and Abel were twins. No matter how many times I tried to study their way and understand how they got that out of Genesis, I just couldn’t be convinced.

    Furthermore, I wrestled with the idea of a sect called the Kenites that were supposedly a race of people directly descended from Cain (& Satan) that were alive and well today and are the ones responsible for much of the tumult in the middle east. Looking back all this is totally laughable. I mean downright hilarious now that I have repented and have been brought out of that mess.
    But what really bothered me is that Murray subtly taught a form of racism through his Christian identity teachings.
    After getting into some very heated debates on social media with other followers, I was told I was biblically illiterate, a babe in the word and that was the cause of my “unbelief”. They became hostile when I dared question why they kept parroting Murray’s every word all the time. And ultimately completely turned me off to being part of their so called ” Christian” group. If you ever have a chance and want to see what I mean, get on Facebook and find one of their groups and argue just one small teaching and see how hateful and downright rude and obnoxious these people are!
    Anyways, please, if you are following this false church, I pray you leave immediately! Think about it, do your research on your own and NEVER ignore the small voice that keeps telling you something is wrong! It took me four years to listen. I can’t get those years back, but oh what a valuable lesson God taught me. You must never ever trust anyone’s word over the Bible and the Holy Spirit’s guidance! Is it really worth going to eternal hell for?

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    • Thanks Servant of Christ, it really helps to read this when it comes to moving forward with the blog. The blog is testimony, teaching and other information to help people caught up in it to get free.

      I’d like to post your comment as reader testimony of deliverance from the Chapel if you don’t mind; I also do podcasts and internet radio as well, so if you’d like to do something in that format that would be really big.

      This is more the direction I’d like to go with the blog… it is RARE to run across former students whom Jesus Christ has delivered; I want the Chapel followers to see we exist. If you’d like to expand on what I post let me know – I will go ahead and put it up top with a plug, let me know if you’re okay with it.

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    • Okay, it’s posted up top – I put one of your gravitar pictures with it so people can see you are a real person I usually start a post with an image and a scripture text; I gave you a plug – let me know if this is okay – also, if you want to expand the testimony let me know and I will add it in

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    • You are totally bogus. You don’t even know what he teaches. End of story. I listen to him all the time, and this is one thing that Murray teaches that you say is false. There is no RAPTURE, and Paul never taught one.

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      • Sir. I have studied with him for over 20 years. RIGHT UP TOP I SAID I DIDN’T BELIEVE A PRETRIB RAPTURE because students always accuse me of it because I disagree with him. And you turn right around tell me there is no rapture. Wake up and read the article.

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  17. It’s good to hear from former Shepherd’s Chapel “followers” who have have came to the realization that several of the doctrines Arnold Murray taught were blasphemous. Please keep on speaking out. Keep up the good work Timothy Campbell. I have spoken with several of these like-minded students of the Shepherd’s Chapel. Most are parrots who spew out, verbatim, the words of the late Murray. In their minds, they have they truth “chips fall where they may”. If someone disagrees with any one of their “truths” that person is ignorant and blind and must be taught in their millennium because they (Murrayites) are elect, nay very elect (not just Christian, but a special sect of a special sect of Christianity).

    John 14:6 – Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    Jesus is the truth. These Murray followers want to endocrinate others with their version of the truth which only seems to further a hidden agenda (identity movement) rather than the edifying of Christ. Keep focus, Christians. If it’s of man’s doctrine and not to the magnification of Christ, reject it.

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    • Yeah, Murray’s millennium takes the cake. Are you a former student? I’m about to start posting more reader testimony as that is the direction I’d like to go with the blog in the future… if so shoot me something, it doesn’t have to be long and I will post it up top – it is critical for the students to see it, they just assume than I’m some weird anomoly and that no one ever truly comes out of it because it’s the truth… unless they’re a kenite or something worse

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  18. No Sir. I am not a former student, but I know many current students (and some former students). I have studied extensively and with an open mind to the doctrines taught by Arnold Murray. I have read much of his material only to find much error. I have also recently discovered your blog and am really enjoying what you are doing. I will tell others about what you are doing here. It is always good to hear of people who come out of a cult. It is not an easy process, but by the grace of our heavenly father there are some who escape the strangle hold of the false doctrines taught by the Murrays.

    In what very little spare time that I do get, I have written many pages explaining (with chapter and verse examples) why Murray’s teachings are false. I say all that to say this: it takes a lot of time and effort unraveling the complex spider webs of deceit that Arnold Murray spins. “Put it on a shelf” and “Research for yourself” are some of the catch phrases that Murrayites (Murray followers) use. Ironically, by following that advice a person can find that Murray’s teachings are not of God.

    If Murray can call people names and encourage his students to “take care of it” concerning people who disagree with him, then it is fair game to expose this false teacher’s doctrines. In fact, Biblically, we are called to expose and discredit false doctrines.

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    • Yes, we are called to expose these things – that’s what so few of the students acknowledge. You say you have done some work reproving his teachings, feel free to forward them to me and I will put some articles up on the blog on your behalf. Yes, you are right, Murray has a whole host of manipulative rhetorical devices for getting his teachings to pass the mental filters.

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  19. I started to listen to PM back in 1994. I used to love the SC because PM read the bible verse by verse. But it used to bother me how it never failed how he would go on and on attacking the “Kenites” and so forth. His teachings resembled more of the Pharisee’s mentality with so much emphasis on the flesh and genealogy. Always twisting everything to fit the Christian Identity cult mentality. Now I know the truth, the New Covenant is unlike the Old. While the Old Covenant was all about following rules and sacrifices, the New covenant is about the spirit and faith. I hate how he always twisted Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. With something like, ” to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord at the moment of death”. Paul uses clothing imagery to describe our bodies. We currently wear a mortal body, but in God’s presence at the resurrection we “must put on” an immortal one.
    All I have to say if you are a SC follower and you have a feeling that their teachings do not match with the Scripture, listen to that inner voice because it is the Holy Spirit trying to save you from their web of lies.

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  20. People….it really don’t matter which way it is, it will be as God created it. You cannot change one iota of what is true with your debate. We are is LIVE inlove for one another not chopeach others heads off. I am not a follower of SC and do agree with you either Mr. Campbell. Whether Gld givesme aspiritaual body or the old dug up one isup to Him it does not change what I am supposed to do with it now or how I am to act towards my spiritual brothers and sisters. These kind of arguments are why I no longer choose a leader or a church. It is me and God and I have grace for what I don’t understand correctly. I have faith in His love for me and in His grace for me. So, I say, let’s be happy in Christ and serve one another.

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    • Who said God was going to give us an old dug up body? We will receive a glorified body but the point is that Christ died to redeem our bodies and he will raise them and transform them – they are important to Him. It is the temple of the Lord, not some dung to be cast aside.

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    • Then what does the bible say about the resurrection? Is Murray correct or am I? Because I can assure you we don’t have the same position. It is plain in the text, what does it say?

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  21. You have just proved everyone’s point. The carnal body, this old decrepive body, which is what we lay down, is not the body that will be risen. You just made that claim yourself. Same thing others are saying just word play. You have fun I m gone. Smile and take your foot out of your mouth

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