“Foundation” of Sand: Bullinger’s Katabole, Overthrow or Rebellion

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“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” – Genesis 1:1-2

To understand the Shepherd’s Chapel you’ll need to understand the influence of 19th Century theologian and hyperdispensationalist E.W. Bullinger. He was the one that originated some of Murray’s more pivotal false doctrines.

Case in point, the Gap Theory and the KATABOLE… which I consider to be foundational Chapel teachings.

Frequently you’ll hear the Chapel make reference to the “three earth ages” – the one that was, is and is to come. This model is simply not biblical.

In the New Testament Jesus Christ is VERY clear, there are only two ages: the one that is and the one that is to come…

This World (Gen 1:1)     Timeline of Events
World to Come (Rev 21, 22)


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We can see that this is completely different from Bullinger’s model of three earth ages. This is taken from 2nd Peter…

“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:” – 2nd Peter 3:5-6

Bullinger and Murray teach that the whole world was destroy by water in the gap between Genesis 1:1-2, prior to the six days of creation. Folks, it is very plain what Peter is talking about here…

It’s the antedeluvian world that perished by Noah’s global flood! Now you can understand why the gappers grasp to make the Noah’s flood a local event because evidence does in fact corraborate such a global flood. Do you see how catastrophic this error is now? 

This is directly from the Companion, click for a larger image…

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This is from Bullinger’s Companion bible, italics and highlights are mine…

COMPANION BIBLE. APPENDIX 146. “THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.”

To arrive at the true meaning of this expression, we must note there are two words translated “foundation” in the New Testament:

(1) themelios, and

(2) katabole.

The Noun, themelios, occurs in Luke 6:48, 49; 14:29. Acts 16:26. Rom. 15:20. 1Cor. 3:10, 11, 12. Eph. 2:20. 1Tim. 6:19. 2Tim. 2:19. Heb. 6:1; 11:10. Rev. 21:14, 19. It is never used of the world (kosmos) or the earth (ge). The corresponding Verb (themeliou) occurs in Matt. 7:25. Luke 6:48. Eph. 3:17. Col. 1:23. Heb. 1:10 and 1Pet. 5:10. The verb is only once used of the earth (ge). Heb. 1:10. A comparison of all these passages will show that these are proper and regular terms for the English words “to found”, and “foundation”.

The Noun, katabole, occurs in Matt. 13:35; 25:34. Luke 11:50. John 17:24. Eph. 1:4. Heb. 4:3; 9:26; 11:11. 1Pet. 1:20. Rev. 13:8; 17:8; and the corresponding Verb (kataballo) occurs in 2Cor. 4:9. Heb. 6:1; and Rev. 12:10. A comparison of all these passages (especially 2Cor. 4:9, and Rev. 12:10) will show that kataballo and katabole are not the proper terms for founding and foundation, but the correct meaning is casting down, or overthrow.

Consistency, therefore, calls for the same translation in Heb. 6:1, where, instead of “not laying again”, the rendering should be “not casting down”. That is to say, the foundation already laid, of repentance, &c., was not to be cast down or overthrown, but was to be left — and progress made unto the perfection. Accordingly, the Noun katabole, derived from, and cognate with the Verb, ought to be translated “disruption”, or “ruin”.

The remarkable thing is that in all occurrences (except Heb. 11:11) the word is connected with “the world” (Gr. kosmos. Ap. 129. 1), and therefore the expression should be rendered “the disruption (or ruin) of the world”, clearly referring to the condition indicated in Gen. 1:2, and described in 2Pet. 3:5, 6.

For the earth was not created tohu (Isa. 45:18), but became so, as stated in the Hebrew of Gen 1:2 and confirmed by 2 Pet. 3:6, where “the world that then was by the word of God” (Gen. 1:1), perished, and “the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word “were created (Gen. 2:4), and are “kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment” (2Pet. 3:7) which shall usher in the “new heavens and the new earth” of 2Pet. 3:13.

“The disruption of the world” is an event forming a great dividing line in the dispensations of the ages. In Gen. 1:1 we have the founding of the world (Heb. 1:10 = themeliou), but in Gen. 1:2 we have its overthrow.

This is confirmed by a further remarkable fact, that the phrase, which occurs ten times, is associated with the Preposition apo = from (Ap. 104. iv) seven times, and with pros = before (Ap. 104. xiv) three times. The former refers to the kingdom and is connected with the “counsels” of God; the latter refers to the Mystery (or Secret. See Ap. 192) and is connected with the “purpose” of God (See John 17:24. Eph. 1:4. 1Pet. 1:20).

Ample New Testament testimony is thus given to the profoundly significant fact recorded in Gen. 1:2, that “the earth became tohu and bohu (i.e. waste and desolate); and darkness was on the face of the deep”, before the creation of “the heavens and the earth which are now” (2Pet. 3:7).

Do these arguments look familiar? They should. This is the very foundation that Murray built his system of theology upon and guess what? It is of sand…

The reason why we know the KJV translators were correct in properly translating the greek word “katabole” as foundation because the old testament is replete with references to the foundation of the earth…

“Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.” – Psalm 102:25

…and,

“Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.” – Isaiah 48:13

The reference is obvious, it points to the events spoken of in Genesis 1:1-2. It logically follows that 2nd Peter was pointing to the same founding in Genesis 1:1-2. Therefore the KJV translators are CORRECT! Foundation is the proper interpretation…

Are you a Shepherd’s Chapel follower? Do you want to really learn what the bible means? Set up shop over this issue and dig – a landslide of error will come cascading off your mind by the grace of Christ…

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35 thoughts on ““Foundation” of Sand: Bullinger’s Katabole, Overthrow or Rebellion

      • Shepherd chapel is a blessing…teaches the truth….shame on anyone that discredit his church and teaching…..

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      • I also praise Pastor Arnold Murray and Pastor Dennis Murray as well. This site’s approach to defaming an honorable nondenominational church and attacking it’s teachings because it disagrees with the ingrained ‘traditions of men’ doctrinal teachings of so many ‘ask for all your money’ churches out there. This ticks off a lot of preachers, who interpret the Holy Bible as if understanding it is theirs alone.. We are quite capable of discerning the truth, and have been granted of God our ‘ears to hear and eyes to see’ by the Holy Spirit, the reward of our sincerity in seeking the Truth of God’s Word.. I praise the Lord God for feeding his flock, of which I and my fellow Christians deeply appreciate.

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  1. However I do agree with you that Murray is a complete heretic who is leading many to hell.

    I however do agree with Arnold Murray that angels can have sex with women, it’s quite obvious.

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    • I do not support the Shepherd’s Chapel as I am aware of their heresies.

      However the Angels did have sex with women and produce Hybrids.

      Genesis 6:4 King James Version (KJV)

      “4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

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  2. And? Did you read the verses there? Did you check this out? No, because you don’t understand what any of it means. You do realize that the Bible was not written in English, don’t you? Well, the guys who first translated it into English wrote several pages in the front of the book that basically said “we did our best, but we suggest you also study the original languages as well.” If you actually saw a companion Bible, you would see that there is almost zero opinion or commentary in the whole thing. Of course, you would not be able to distinguish the difference between fact and opinion. One of the few places it does have some opinion, I disagree with Bullinger, so what,? His work was done more than 100 years ago, a lot has happened in the world since then.

    The truth is you are probably just a wannabe apologist. I’ve never met one who felt the need to study the Bible, they have too many other little heresy hunting books to study.

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    • Actually the Companion Bible teaches some very distinct doctrines… it very much has a theological axe to grind, very much so. I had a Companion for many years and have access to one now. The Katabole teaching is his, and it is false. Do you want to get into that?

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  3. Most bibles have words missing from the original manuscripts. Study yourself with a Strongs concordance for 50 years then we can discuss what God is saying in the OKJ bible?

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  4. It’s crazy how they make the Greek word Katabole to mean “overthrow” as in a rebellion. They will come up with any weird interpretation to support their belief.

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    • The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
      Strong’s Number: 2602 Browse Lexicon
      katabole from (2598)
      Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
      Katabole 3:620,418
      kat-ab-ol-ay’ Noun Feminine

      Definition
      A throwing or laying down: the injection or depositing of the virile semen in the womb,
      Of the seed of plants and animals: a founding (laying down a foundation)

      NAS Word Usage – Total: 11
      conceive* 1, foundation 10
      NAS Verse Count
      Matthew 2
      Luke 1
      John 1
      Ephesians 1
      Hebrews 3
      1 Peter 1
      Revelation 2
      Total 11
      These files are public domain Bibliography Information
      Thayer and Smith. “Greek Lexicon entry for Katabole”. “The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon”. . 1999.

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  5. I noticed you previously mentioned you would post some more of Bullinger’s appendix entries and give a commentary, still have any plans for doing that?

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  6. In your example of this present age you show a diagram of “no longer” , already and not yet. So what is ” no longer?” Something had to exist in order for it to be no longer. Correct?

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  7. I see no real issue with referring to katabole as overthrow (actually it would be better translated breaking down and renewal). So your hypothesis is proven false.

    katabole Is just they biochemical process of catabolism. I.e. – the female breaking down the male sperm in order for a woman to conceive, her body must be able to breakdown the male’s sperm in order to conceive. That is why the word is used in Heb 11:11 for pregnancy. Birth of a new age (old age destroyed and new one created).

    Nice try though on attacking Pastor Murray…

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    • Hypothesis? The KJV translators translated it as a “founding” based on the OT doctrine. You need this distortion to teach the absurd fantasy of pre-existence which Murray’s teaching depends. You don’t believe the bible. I’ll take the KJV translators wisdom to Murray any day.

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      • Let scripture speak for it’s self

        Jeremiah 1:5
        5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
        and before you were born I consecrated you;
        I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

        Romans
        7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
        8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
        11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
        12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
        13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

        John 8
        42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
        43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
        44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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  8. I find it rather ironic that with your lack of languages you consider yourself a guru of scripture and others’ interpretations. Enough to challenge a man that speaks many more languages then yourself. Funny thing about The Shepard’s Chapel “agenda”…they don’t have one. Maybe quit bashing them. It might be the “Christian” thing to do…you think? yawn

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      • 2 Peter 2:5 – And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

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      • Great point, most definately – to the Chapel the old world was the first earth age, but they don’t look at this verse in the 2nd Chapter. They look past it to this one…

        (2Pe 3:5) For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God,

        (2Pe 3:6) and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.

        It’s asinine no doubt but they believe the age before this one, where Satan rebelled was a flood and that this is what Peter is talking about – but chapter 2 makes it clear. They skip it.

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  9. British Israelism is built on folklore and it has a racist foundation. Joseph married a Egyptian woman and Shepherd’s Chapel denies what the Bible says about it , that means they have an agenda. They use target marketing tactics . They look for people who are anti-education. People he can turn against formally trained Pastors.

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  10. Most of the chapel teachings are right on,you can’t be perfect on every book in the Bible until the holy spirit helps you along.murry always says look it up yourself.if you do look his lessons up the holy spirit will guide you and you can speak the word out loud.blessing to you and yours.

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  11. You have absolutely missed the mark. You do not have eyes to see. I don’t follow Murray anymore. I did for many years. But because you have an axe to grind, you want to throw out Bullinger’s exhaustive work? It’s not his error that made bigot Murray follow him! Lol. There absolutely was an age before where we existed. This is supported many places in The Word. YOU ARE IN ERROR! The Holy Spirit revealed nothing to you.

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