Refuting Shepherd’s Chapel on the Kenites

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This is an excellent expose by Colby Braden at reformedthinker.blogspot.com, a former Shepherd’s Chapel student taking apart the Chapel’s teaching on the Kenites in depth…

Refuting the Popular Teaching of the Kenites

One of the defining false doctrines of Shepherd’s Chapel is their twist on the Serpent Seed heresy. I have dealt with this topic in other posts in one form or another (See: here,here, and here). My desire for this post, Lord willing, is to expand on what I’ve already posted and make as concise a refutation as I can.

If one orders Shepherd’s Chapel’s free introductory CD called The Mark of Beast they will be introduced to the Kenite doctrine. Shepherd’s Chapel also has several study CD’s that deal with this doctrine in more depth, see their studies entitled Seed of the Serpent#30461, Genesis, Chapters 1-6 #30146, and Kenites #30436. I will give a brief definition of this doctrine, as they believe it, but feel free to order the material from Shepherd’s Chapel to get a fuller explanation from their point of view.

So what is this doctrine of the Kenite? Simply put, Shepherd’s Chapel teaches that Eve had sex with Satan. Eve then conceived and gave birth to Cain. Cain’s biological father was Satan, and Cain’s offspring are what the Old Testament identifies by the termKenite. Jesus, in the New Testament, identifies the scribes and Pharisees as these same literal sons of Cain. Kenites are still in the world today claiming to be Jews. Behind the scenes they control the world by, what Shepherd’s Chapel calls, the four hidden dynasties (political, religious, economic, and education). Utilizing their control of thesefour hidden dynasties, Kenites will bring about the one world system. Only churches that teach the true identity of these Kenites hold the Key of David, know the truth, and will not be deceived in the end-times.

Can any of that be substantiated from the Bible? Shepherd’s Chapel does, of course, try to defend these beliefs by selectively utilizing Scripture. I will examine these proofs and show that the doctrine of the Kenite cannot hold up to close scrutiny.

In reality the whole doctrine hinges on the interpretation of Genesis chapter 3. Does this chapter describe a sexual encounter between Satan and Eve? A straight read-though of this chapter would not lead to that conclusion, thus Shepherd’s Chapel is forced to take a completely allegorical interpretation of Genesis 3. We read the following in Genesis 3:3-6:

but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. (Genesis 3:3-6 ESV)

Shepherd’s Chapel claims that this eating of the fruit is used here as an analogy for sex. They claim this is describing sex between Satan and Eve; I suppose Adam as well sense it states he took the fruit too. There are, however, some serious problems with this interpretation.

The serpent is using what God said in Genesis chapter 2.

The LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” (Genesis 2:15-17 ESV)

Now if we are to take that eating of the fruit of the tree is an analogy for sex then we would be forced to conclude that God gave Adam permission to have sex with anything in the garden except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That is simply not true. We see from this text that God is giving Adam permission to literally eat of any tree in the garden he wishes. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil, however, is forbidden. Sex is not the topic of discussion. Even if one takes the scene in the garden of Eden as allegory we see that sex is not in view here.

You would also have to identify the tree of the knowledge of good and evil as Satan for Shepherd’s Chapel’s view to work. The problem is Satan is not identified as the tree but as the serpent, see Revelation 12:9. Even if sex was in view it was not with Satan. There are other problems as well. Take a look at Genesis 3:17.

And to Adam he said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, ‘You shall not eat of it,’ cursed is the ground because of you; in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life; (Genesis 3:17 ESV)

We have read in Genesis 2:16 that God gave permission for Adam to eat of any tree. Now that Adam has sinned in eating the forbidden tree, God curses the ground. Since he ate fruit he wasn’t allowed to eat, Adam will have to work hard for his food. We see how the analogy of eating the fruit = sex simply does not work with the point God is making inGenesis 2 and 3.

The most serious and heretical problem with the view of Genesis 3 describing sex is in Genesis 3:22.

Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. (Genesis 3:22-23 ESV)

Arnold Murray, in his study #417 Elect, states that the tree of life is Jesus and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is Satan. Now in verse 22 God states that eating of the tree of life brings eternal life. This verse specifically says “and take also” which means the same action that was done to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil must also be done with the tree of life in order for someone to have eternal life. Are we really to conclude that God is talking about having sex with the tree of life instead of sex with thetree of the knowledge of good and evil? That we are to have sex with the tree of life in eternity, see Revelation 2:7? Of course Shepherd’s Chapel would deny that, but that is the logical conclusion to their interpretation of Genesis chapter 3.

It is quite obvious from reading the passages in Genesis 2-3 that sex is not in view. The scene in Genesis 3:3-6 is not describing a sexual encounter with Eve and Satan. The point of the story in Genesis 3 is to show the disobedience of Adam & Eve, the fall of mankind, and the consequence of that disobedience.

A student of Shepherd’s Chapel may raise the objection that Genesis 3:15 does prove the Serpent Seed doctrine.

I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.” (Genesis 3:15 ESV)

It has been shown by reading the texts that it was not the serpent that Eve took the fruit of but rather the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So even in their own view ofeating the fruit = sex it was not the serpent that Even could have had sex with.

We see in Genesis 3:15 the enmity between the seed of the serpent and the seed of Eve. It is clearly shown that the serpent has a seed completely separate from Eve, not coming from Eve. Eve has no part in the serpent’s seed and does not give birth, in any way, to the serpent’s seed.

We read in Genesis 3:14-19 God hands down his punishments to the Serpent, Eve, and Adam. So literally serpents are cursed after the fall to no longer be as cunning and must go in shame on their bellies eating dust. Serpents and humans will always be at odds with each other with humans having the victory over them.

Allegorically we read in Genesis 3:15 what is called the Protoevangelium, the first announcement of the Gospel. The serpent would be identified as Satan, see Revelation 12:9 and 20:2. His seed would be that of anything that opposes the Gospel and Christ. The ultimate seed of the Eve would be Christ. The statement “he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel” would be Christ’s victory over the Devil and death at the Cross.

We see this dual-seed and its meaning most clearly presented in 1st John 3:8-10:

Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.
(1 John 3:8-10 ESV)

Again sinners are the children of the devil and believers are the children of God. This alludes back to Genesis 3:15 so its meaning is very clear. Genesis 3:15 is not and cannot be talking about literal physical seed of Satan produced by a sexual encounter with Eve. If you read 1st John 3:1-3 you see believers being called the children of Godset against the world of unbelievers (children of the devil).

So who is Cain’s father? It is claimed by Shepherd’s Chapel to be Satan. We see in Genesis 4:1 who Scripture claims Cain’s father to be.

Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.” (Genesis 4:1 ESV)

The statement “Adam knew Eve” is a figure of speech for sex. We see, very clearly, that Adam consummated his marriage with Eve and she conceived and bore Cain. The statement “and she conceived and bore Cain” coming directly after the statement “Adam knew Eve his wife” proves the conception of Cain is in view. Cain was not conceived at some prior time before this.

Shepherd’s Chapel will claim that Genesis 4:2 shows that Cain and Abel were twins. Abel was born at the same time as Cain with Cain being conceived at a prior point. This was already refuted in Genesis 4:1 but we will take a look at this claim.

And again, she bore his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, and Cain a worker of the ground. (Genesis 4:2 ESV)

Shepherd’s Chapel will claim word “again” used in Genesis 4:2 means “to continue to do a thing”. In other words Eve continued in labor and bore Able. The Hebrew word here isyacaph and its meaning is to add, increase, do again. Here are a couple more verses, from Genesis, that use yacaph in a similar context:

And she called his name Joseph, saying, “May the LORD add to me another son!” (Genesis 30:24 ESV)

Yet again she bore a son, and she called his name Shelah. Judah was in Chezib when she bore him. (Genesis 38:5 ESV)

The bold words are the Hebrew word yacaph. It does not mean to continue in labor, but is a connector word indicating two separate events. Not the same event.

Shepherd’s Chapel also claims that since Cain isn’t listed in the genealogy of Adam in Genesis chapter 5 then he is not Adam’s son.

Cain could be included, in sorts, in Genesis 5:4 when it says of Adam “he had other sons and daughters”. More importantly the genealogy of Genesis 5 starts with Seth so it is perfectly normal to leave Abel and Cain out.

Genealogies in Old Testament times were often deliberately truncated to remove cursedgenerations or included only those of note. In the case of the Genesis 5 genealogy only those descendants leading to Noah are mentioned because only those are pertinent to the story. That the Bible does not list every single twig on a family tree does not mean that Kenite theory is a valid doctrine.

Also note in Genesis 5 Abel is not listed either yet Shepherd’s Chapel doesn’t say he wasn’t Adam’s son. Cain’s genealogy is listed separately because he’s not part of the lineage or Noah, not because he’s the literal biological son of the devil. Like I said before the genealogy starts with Seth and leaves out both Abel and Cain!

It has been fully shown that Genesis 3 is not talking about sex between Satan and Eve, Genesis 4:1 shows exactly who Cain’s father is, and Genesis 3:15 is not talking about a Kenite seed set loose in the world.

That leaves us with one question. Who are the Kenites? They are mentioned in 10 verses in the Old Testament and never mentioned in the New Testament.

(Genesis 15:19, Numbers 24:21, Judges 1:16; 4:11; 4:17; 5:24, 1 Samuel 15:6; 27:10; 30:29, 1 Chronicles 2:55)

Nowhere in the Bible are Kenites identified as descended from Cain. We do, however, see in two of these verses how they can be identified.

And the descendants of the Kenite, Moses’ father-in-law, went up with the people of Judah from the city of palms into the wilderness of Judah, which lies in the Negeb near Arad, and they went and settled with the people. (Judges 1:16 ESV)

Now Heber the Kenite had separated from the Kenites, the descendants of Hobab the father-in-law of Moses, and had pitched his tent as far away as the oak in Zaanannim, which is near Kedesh. (Judges 4:11 ESV)

We read from these texts that Kenites are the descendants of Moses’ father-in-law, see Exodus 3:1. Kenites are part of the Midianites and came out of Rachab. The name Kenite is probably derived from the name of Kenan the son of Enosh (the grandson of Seth and the great grandson of Adam).

We have already refuted the possibility that Cain was the biological son of Satan. Now we have shown that there is no warrant at all to identify Kenites as sons of Cain. It is known that Cain fathered children, but they all would have died in the flood of Noah. 2nd Peter 2:5 makes the statement that only eight people survived the flood; only Noah and his family.

No we will turn our attention to the New Testament. Shepherd’s Chapel uses several New Testament texts to try and prove their Kenite doctrine. One of these texts is what is commonly called the Parable of the Tares and is located in Matthew 13:24-30. Shepherd’s Chapel claims that the tares, or weeds, in this parable are identified as Kenites. Lucky for us Jesus explains this parable in Matthew 13:36-43.

Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. (Matthew 13:36-43 ESV)

Here Jesus does give us the true interpretation of the dual-seed or, if you will, serpent seed doctrine. The good seed is planted by the Son of Man (Jesus). The good seed are the sons of the kingdom. These sons of the kingdom are believers. They are called therighteous in verse 43. The good seeds are Christians, not the literal seed of Jesus. Thefield where the seeds are sown is the world. The tares, or weeds, are sown by the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, what we would call judgment day (Rev. 20:11-15). Verse 41 identifies the seed of the devil as “all causes of sin and all law-breakers”. So the seed of the devil is unbelievers, not the physical descendants of Cain. This is basically the same thing we see in 1st John 3:1-10.

Simply put, the Parable of the Tares describes the activity of God’s kingdom in the world. The enemies of the kingdom (weeds) will always coexist with the sons of the kingdom (good seed). It is talking about believers and unbelievers not physical offspring.

John 8:44 is also a popular text that Shepherd’s Chapel uses in an attempt to prove the Kenite theory. Jesus is speaking to the Jews when He says this:

You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. (John 8:44 ESV)

Shepherd’s Chapel claims this text teaches that these Jews are literally the sons of Satan (via Cain). The contrast is being “of the devil” or being “of God” (see verse 47). Jesus is, however, speaking that the spiritual father of these Jews is the devil, not their physical father. Jesus identifies who their physical father is a few verses up in John 8:37.

I know that you are offspring of Abraham; yet you seek to kill me because my word finds no place in you. (John 8:37 ESV)

These are the same Jews Jesus is speaking to in verse 44. Jesus here identifies them as being offspring of Abraham not Cain. So Jesus in John 8:37 identifies who their physical father is and then in John 8:44 identifies their spiritual father. Later in this chapter (John 8:56) Jesus again identifies who these same Jews physical father is.

Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56 ESV)

These passages clearly teach that Jesus did not think these Jews were literal, physical sons of Satan. What they do teach, however, is that the works of these Jews proved that they were spiritually the offspring of the devil. Jesus specifically identifies them as Abraham’s physical offspring (twice) and not Cain’s!

One New Testament text that Shepherd’s Chapel will claim proves a sexual encounter happened between Satan and Eve is 2nd Corinthians 11:3.

But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. (2 Corinthians 11:3 ESV)

The Greek word for deceived used here (beguiled in the KJV) is claimed by Shepherd’s Chapel to mean sexually seduced. So, to Shepherd’s Chapel, this verse says the serpentsexually seduced Eve in the garden of Eden.

The Greek word used here is exapataō, and simply means to deceive. Interpreting the word exapataō sexually brings up problems in other passages written by Paul. 1st Corinthians 3:18 uses the same word in a similar context.

Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,”
(1 Corinthians 3:18-19 ESV)

The word deceive in this verse is the same Greek word exapataō. You can read by the context that exapataō has no sexual meaning whatsoever. Just try replacing deceive in this verse with sexually seduce and you see how ridiculous the assertion by Shepherd’s Chapel is. Paul also uses exapataō in 2nd Thessalonians 2:3.

Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, (2 Thessalonians 2:3 ESV)

The word deceive is also the Greek word exapataō and shows that it is not used in a sexual manner. Again try to replace deceive with sexually seduced in this verse, it won’t work. In fact the Greek word exapataō is only used 5 times in the New Testament, all by Paul, and it is never used in a sexual context to describe sexual seduction. (See: Rom. 7:11; 16:18, 1 Cor. 3:18, 2 Cor. 11:3, 2 Thes. 2:3)

These kinds of arguments are common with Shepherd’s Chapel. They will take a Greek word and using a Strong’s Concordance try and redefine what the word means, twisting it to fit their doctrines. Although Arnold Murray claimed to be a Greek scholar he was not. It has been shown that he did not know how Greek or Hebrew grammar works and deceived his students by twisting the meaning of Scripture. This is the same kind of tactic that Charles Taze Russell, founder of Jehovah’s Witnesses, used.

Another claim one may hear from Shepherd’s Chapel is that there are only 2 churches that Christ’s finds no fault with and those are the churches that teach the Kenite doctrine. To defend this view Shepherd’s Chapel will quote Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. Let’s take a look at one of these texts.

“‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich) and the slander of those who say that they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. (Revelation 2:9 ESV)

Jesus is speaking to the church of Smyrna, see verse 8. Smyrna was known as thecrown of Asia where the Greeks held to strong emperor worship. They also had a large Jewish community and both the Romans and the Jews strongly persecuted Christians in this city. Although these Jews were Jews physically they spiritually aligned themselves with the Greek pagans in putting Christians to death. This is similar in the church of Philadelphia (briefly named Caesar’s New City) in Revelation 3:9. The Roman imperial cult and a large synagogue were known to be in Philadelphia around this time. Both Smyrna and Philadelphia were dangerous places for Christians to be.

Jesus’ statement “they say they are Jews and are not” is not Jesus denying their Jewish genealogy but rather their spiritual genealogy. Romans 2:28-29 declares “For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly… But a Jew is one inwardly…”. These Jews denied the Messiah and aligned with the emperor worshipers; thus Judaism became a “synagogue of Satan”. The New Testament defines God’s people in relation to Jesus, not genealogy. The “key of David” mentioned in Revelation 3:9 is simply Jesus’ authority to admit to or exclude from God’s kingdom (see Isaiah 22:22, Mark 16:19).

Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 does not teach or promote the Kenite or serpent seed theory.

We have shown from Genesis to Revelation that the Kenite or serpent seed theory is not taught in the Bible. Cain was the physical son of Adam not Satan (Genesis 4:1). Yet we are to head the warning of 1st John 3:12 and “not be like Cain, who was of the evil one”. Yes Cain’s spiritual father is Satan, just like our spiritual father is God. Our righteous seed is from God and unbeliever seed is from the Devil just as 1st John 3:10 states “By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother”. The point of all these Scriptures (starting with Genesis 3:15) is to differentiate believers from non-believers, not physical sons of Cain from sons of Adam.

Shepherd’s Chapel does not condone racism and claims not to teach racism. The fact is, however, the Kenite doctrine breeds this us versus them mentality. Saying that the people we identify as Jews are really literal sons of Cain will, inherently, cause racism and hatred. There are many evil people today in power but it is not Kenites behind the scenes controlling the world.

The Kenite false doctrine of Shepherd’s Chapel is dangerous and heretical. It needs to be avoided and Christians warned against it. I pray that if you are stuck in the false teachings of Shepherd’s Chapel that you will take serious these warning and that the Lord will open your eyes.

Soli Deo Gloria!

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Author: Timothy Campbell

Independent researcher exposing Joel's Army / Latter-Rain Movement, Christian evangelist and helping to expose the plot of the ages - the church will be here during the great tribulation (or Golden Age of Gaia) and will have resist the beast and his mark...

22 thoughts on “Refuting Shepherd’s Chapel on the Kenites”

  1. Oh My Lord I been asking the Lord if these teachings were safe. Now Im seeing and hearing people call shepherds chapel a cult. I have noticed things that do not make sense. But I thought I found a safe bible study. Oh Lord God forgive me. Is there any bible study on youtube that is safe. Im alone no others near me. I just wanted to hear another. Now I do not want false in me. Please let me know what is safe . Ive been lead astray too many times. Im ready to disconnnect interent and just read like whne I was homeless . Seems its only safe place to read and learn . thank you

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    1. There are other good teachers in the body of Christ – just pray for God to lead you to them. I’m human, I make mistakes in my understanding as well but I have the willingness to want to change my understanding when the Lord opens my eyes about something in the scripture. The Lord opened my eyes to the Chapel’s subtle doctrines back in 2005. I decided since then to help others break free. I’m not perfect, just forgiven.

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      1. Thank You. Blessings. But its so easy to be mislead. Believe me Ive come out of churchs doing witchcraft, kundlini junk and or just spiritually dead. Its truly safer reading and allowing Holy Ghost to show you. He always has. I get confirmations of it later. Sometimes a year later. Or Your praying something. People would say your crazy and then the Lord shows you later on its all way He wanted it done. Blowing you away cause Hes so amazing. Thank You Blessings Timothy. I even see how some start their own ministry breaking from SC but they are mixing it up even worse. Sad. Very sad. Praying always. IN Christ Michele

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      2. Yeah, I’ve seen the same thing too – they separate from the Chapel but the system for the most part remains intact and they invent their own strange interpretation… yes I have observed this many times. They call them wolves in sheep’s clothing for a reason, they know how to say all the things the sheep want to hear – it’s like religious hypnosis.

        People don’t understand how I can run this blog, or that the Lord called me to it – they imagine me to be a horrible person for speaking out against what they believe to be true. When the Lord Jesus Christ delivers you from the entanglement of false religion you know 100% full well what it is, it’s hard to not say anything. People that are entranced by it respond very negatively at times when they see you reproving the teachings – some people such as yourself are kind of ambivalent about Murray so it’s easy to break free from it when the Lord opens your eyes to it. Others are not so fortunate… they are fully deceived and take pride in it

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    2. Hi Michelle,
      I strongly recommend Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones audio sermons. He is known by many as the most powerful preacher of the 20th century. His background is puritan and Westminster Faith, meaning PURE theology. His audio sermons are available in http://www.mljtrust.org/

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  2. Michelle,
    Grateful that you found this sight. I am not being disrespectful in any way, shape or form. I am only going to speak to you in answer to YOUR words:
    You said:Oh My Lord I been asking the Lord if these teachings were safe.
    Me: You are wise. That is the way to find Truth.
    You: Now Im seeing and hearing people call shepherds chapel a cult.
    Me: Do not ask man if this is a cult or not, continue to ask God.
    You:I have noticed things that do not make sense.
    Me: I did too, and I continued to ask God for guidance and discernment…please continue to do that.
    You: But I thought I found a safe bible study.
    Me: You have. God IS in control of this ministry. IF it is not sound doctrine that you can understand at this time, just put the information aside and continue to pray about it. If God brings it back to you, you will know it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
    You:Oh Lord God forgive me.
    Me: not sure why you need forgiveness. You have done nothing wrong that I can see. You appear to me to be wise, you are seeking confirmation one way or another.
    You:Is there any bible study on youtube that is safe.
    Me: nothing is fool proof, in fact, it is my opinion that the enemy does some of his most deceptive work on the internet.
    You: Im alone no others near me.
    Me: You are NEVER alone, God is ALWAYS with you. I believe those who truly have a heart for God are put aside so that they are not influenced by those who are looking to deceive. God does HIS best work in us when He speaks directly to our hearts.
    You: I just wanted to hear another.
    Me: I COMPLETELY understand that, we look for a second witness. I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that God WILL give you that, just keep your eyes on Him.
    You:Now I do not want false in me.
    Me: Boy do I understand that one. When you are a truth seeker, the LAST thing we want is something to come in and mucky up the water or cause blurred lines. Keep your eyes on HIM, He IS/WILL continue to speak to your heart.
    You: Please let me know what is safe .
    Me: He is. Keep your eyes on Him, not man. He WILL continue to guide you.
    You: Ive been lead astray too many times.
    Me: Understood. The enemy lies in wait around every corner, we have to keep our eyes on Him. When we take our eyes off of Him, that is where we get deceived.
    You:Im ready to disconnnect interent and just read like whne I was homeless .
    Me: That may not be such a bad idea. But, there is good knowledge on the internet as well as deception. The thing is we have to discern what is and is not from God. PRAY PRAY PRAY about that, never cease praying for spiritual discernment, especially in these last days.
    You: Seems its only safe place to read and learn
    Me: Once again, you are a wise person.

    Michelle, God has called you to truth. He has given you tools to find that truth. I know it gets lonely sometimes and we want to reach out and find people who are truly like minded, it is getting harder and harder to find. Let me assure you of this: God WILL bring people in your path who will be a second witness to what your heart already knows. If you hear something and it doesn’t make sense, put it to the side, do NOT throw it away…continue to pray about it. If God wants to pull it out and reveal it to you, He will. Do not force it, and do not seek outside if it is truth or not. Again, HE WILL BRING IT FULL CIRCLE WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT. Remember, it is always about HIS timing, not ours. My prayer for you Michelle that you can hear me. God has a plan for you and the enemy is always waiting in the wings to trip us up. DISCERN. Take some time to sort through what God wants you to know. Seek Truth always, in every situation. I will say this in closing, I follow Pastor Murray. I, like you, am seeking Truth. I have found it in Pastor Murrays ministry. I do not take everything as the gospel truth, I seek guidance always. Some things have been CLEARLY revealed to me and others have been put on the shelf. The more I stay with this way of seeking truth, the more truth is revealed. Timothy Campbell and I differ in this area. I am not disrespecting him by doing this, I am only giving you more information. It is up to you to decide. I am praying for you Michelle. If you have any questions, you can email me at croyer_8962@hotmail.com. I only say this because I have no control over what happens in this forum, I have only been instructed to be respectful, and if I am, my words will not be monitored or altered. This is my attempt to show respect and to make sure that even though Timothy has a perspective and wants you to hear him. I want to be heard as well.

    Scripture that comes to mind is found in Matthew 18. Pray and seek truth. I hold myself to the standards that has been set before me as a believer. I have NO intention of leading you astray. May God give you the truth you seek.

    Cindy

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    1. Thank you sister everything you said was totally confirmation and just like he pulled me out evil churches into witchcraft and kundlini he will keep guiding me. I understand all you said totally Glory to the Lord. I was lead here in a google search OUR King knows all thank you so so much. I will keep your email. Oh Lord Im so happy. I was really letting it get me down and I took a week off studies to pray and wait on Lord and woke to this. Thank you Jesus. Bless You in Truth sister M
      I havent seen anyone elses comments. So Lord blocked it all thank you Jesus. Ill email next time. Blessings on Your weekend in Jesus M

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  3. Praise God! I look forward to hearing from you. We just need to keep marching forward keeping our eyes upon Him. Interesting to me is that I have been studying with Shepherds Chapel a little over four years. As mentioned, not everything makes sense at the time, yet it still rings some truth in my heart. I have not thrown ANYTHING out that I have heard from Shepherds Chapel and now more than ever, the pieces are all coming together. I believe with all my heart we are in the latter rain. Come Lord come. Blessings to you as well. Cindy

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  4. That is your perspective Timothy, I have no intention of changing that, I only am sharing Truth. This weekend I spent a lot of time in study looking at YOUR blog and seeing the difference in our views. This is all I can tell you:

    2 Timothy 2…the WHOLE chapter. But I want to draw attention to 2:14-15:

    14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

    15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    How many times were we told to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF GOD? There is a reason for that. You use the ESV and I am not sure where you get the translation back to the original language, but for me, I use the KJV and the Strong’s Concordance. I do not use the Companion bible, only the two things I mentioned as well as ask for guidance, wisdom and the discernment for understanding.. Here is one MAJOR difference that I can see where we come up with different views. This is just one, I am not going to do the work for you, I am only asking that you pray and ask for discernment. I trust that if anyone TRULY seeks truth, it will be given. Ego can not get in the way:

    You said: So who is Cain’s father? It is claimed by Shepherd’s Chapel to be Satan. We see in Genesis 4:1 who Scripture claims Cain’s father to be.

    Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, “I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.” (Genesis 4:1 ESV)

    The statement “Adam knew Eve” is a figure of speech for sex. We see, very clearly, that Adam consummated his marriage with Eve and she conceived and bore Cain. The statement “and she conceived and bore Cain” coming directly after the statement “Adam knew Eve his wife” proves the conception of Cain is in view. Cain was not conceived at some prior time before this.
    I say:

    4 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord. (Genesis 4:1 KJV)

    You say ‘Adam knew Eve’ is a figure of speech for sex.

    I say: Strong’s Concordance references 3045
    Word: RCI
    Pronounce: yaw-dah’
    Strong: H3045

    Orig: a primitive root; to know (properly, to ascertain by seeing); used in a great variety of senses, figuratively, literally, euphemistically and inferentially (including observation, care, recognition; and causatively, instruction, designation, punishment, etc.) (as follow):–acknowledge, acquaintance(-ted with), advise, answer, appoint, assuredly, be aware, (un-)awares, can(-not), certainly, comprehend, consider, X could they, cunning, declare, be diligent, (can, cause to) discern, discover, endued with, familiar friend, famous, feel, can have, be (ig-)norant, instruct, kinsfolk, kinsman, (cause to let, make) know, (come to give, have, take) knowledge, have (knowledge), (be, make, make to be, make self) known, + be learned, + lie by man, mark, perceive, privy to, X prognosticator, regard, have respect, skilful, shew, can (man of) skill, be sure, of a surety, teach, (can) tell, understand, have (understanding), X will be, wist, wit, wot.

    Use: TWOT-848 Verb

    Grk Strong: G143 G144 G191 G312 G319 G322 G518 G611 G1097 G1107 G1109 G1110 G1166 G1213 G1231 G1263 G1291 G1321 G1492 G1717 G1718 G1804 G1921 G1983 G1987 G1990 G2816 G3129 G3627 G3835 G4337 G4591 G4908 G4920 G4982 G5214 G5318 G5384
    1) to know
    1a) (Qal)
    1a1) to know
    1a1a) to know, learn to know
    1a1b) to perceive
    1a1c) to perceive and see, find out and discern
    1a1d) to discriminate, distinguish
    1a1e) to know by experience
    1a1f) to recognise, admit, acknowledge, confess
    1a1g) to consider
    1a2) to know, be acquainted with
    1a3) to know (a person carnally)
    1a4) to know how, be skilful in
    1a5) to have knowledge, be wise
    1b) (Niphal)
    1b1) to be made known, be or become known, be revealed
    1b2) to make oneself known
    1b3) to be perceived
    1b4) to be instructed
    1c) (Piel) to cause to know
    1d) (Poal) to cause to know
    1e) (Pual)
    1e1) to be known
    1e2) known, one known, acquaintance (participle)
    1f) (Hiphil) to make known, declare
    1g) (Hophal) to be made known
    1h) (Hithpael) to make oneself known, reveal oneself

    Take note between the ESV and the KJV that the punctuation is different. My guess is you already KNEW (figure of speech for sex, sorry…had to put that in here for example) that a comma gives a different flow to a sentence than a semicolon and I KNEW that as well. You can pick and choose whichever definition you want from 3045 for what I mean.

    If a person wants to look at a different version of the bible to get the meat, they need to make sure that what they are ‘eating’ is not contaminated. I personally do not believe that the ESV is meat, it is milk. 1 Corinthians 3 will explain what I am trying to say.

    Now, going back to 2 Timothy 2:14
    14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

    I do not want to argue or debate

    2 Timothy 2:15
    15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    You said: You say, “now more than ever, the pieces are all coming together…” – you don’t realize what is happening Cindy, you’re being deceived.

    I say: Am I?

    RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.

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    1. You have accepted Murray’s serpent seed teaching (Hitler believed something very similar and I have an article on it) — have you ever prayed for the Holy Spirit to show you whether or not it is true?

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      1. You have no idea because you don’t know me. Say what you wish here, your blog, your ‘rules’. I won’t accommodate your antics. Just know this, I pray all the time for Truth and discernment. I believe I have been shown Truth, you believe the same for you. Just being honest here, big difference between you and I …I have NEVER been an athiest, yet you claim you have been several different times. I admit that there was a time that I was asleep and that I didn’t know one way or the other, but NEVER an athiest. That’s all I have to say about that. The time is near and I have NO doubt about that. We are in the 6th trump, I have better things to do than be distracted by idle bickering. If the Spirit leads me back here, I will come. If not, consider this my last interaction with you. Hitler, seriously? Rhetorical question.

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      2. Yes, I was an atheist. How is that any worse than anyone else before they came to saving faith in Jesus Christ? I have been bought by the blood of Jesus Christ – the main reason for becoming an atheist as a young person was the confusion caused by this cult you have grown to cherish. Am I become your enemy for telling the truth? Hitler taught the serpent seed, let that sink in.

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  5. I wondered how the heck I ever came across you to begin with and this week. I figured out how. It goes like this:
    When I told a ‘friend’ about Shepherds Chapel, she, like you refers to man for guidance and not what the Word of God says. So, in her attempt to ‘research’, she googled Shepherds Chapel. Congratulations Timothy, your blog is right at the top of the search. Unfortunately for her, she looked at your site and never did any research for herself and took YOUR word for it. In her attempt to ‘save’ me from myself sent me the link and really thought she was ‘wise’. So here is the bad part, for you: It has been two years and while she boasts of all of her ‘knowledge’ because she googles what she wants to find out and then listens to what man has to say, is one of the most immature Christians I know for having been a believer for so long. While I eat meat, she is drinking milk from a bottle and can’t even hold the bottle for herself. Oh, and because she is SO wise because of ALL the studies she does with men, is now trying to ‘help’ a new believer. I asked her why she felt she still needed a teacher and wasn’t sitting with God and letting Him guide her, she said…’to help me walk’. Seriously?

    You can point at the speck in Arnold’s eye while being blinded by the log in your own, and it won’t matter, you will be judged as you have judged. In the meantime, I could slice you open with the sword of truth, but it would be futile because you just go in and alter what I write to suit your OWN agenda. The bible speaks of people just like you and God is NOT happy with you leading people astray. You don’t even tell people to look it up for themselves, you just put down what you want them to believe and if they disagree, you spew ‘brainwashed, fallen for the deception etc.’. I also saw another person on your site seeking Truth and she ALMOST believed you but decided to check it out FOR HERSELF and listen to the unction in her heart placed there by God Almighty and was able to see the deceit you put out there. God speaks about this and you will be held accountable for not only leading His children astray, but the grotesque pride in your heart. It is no doubt why you have made it your mission to discredit the Word of God, because He who is in Pastor Arnold is greater than he who is in you. Yes, pretty harsh but you know what, I have tried to share with you what you are doing goes AGAINST the Word of God and you just can’t hear. So, one last time I am going to tell you to GET BEHIND ME.

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    1. Sorry you don’t agree Cindy, I wish we could actually discuss the teachings of the Chapel and whether they are biblical. You don’t seem to be interested in entertaining the notion that you might have believed a falsehood.

      The more you get on here and rant and rave about slicing me open with the sword, and telling me to get behind you and all this other stuff the more it makes me want to write more articles exposing the Shepherd’s Chapel cult. If I can say one thing to dissuade you from eating from Murray’s pig slop trough then I have done my job.

      You know, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and told I would leave your posts alone if you remained respectful but you’re starting to veer off again. What you call an agenda, is me telling the truth. Once again, go to God, inquire from Him whether or not He called me to expose this cult – you apparently aren’t going to take my word for it.

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  6. I got 3 proplems with Shepherds Chapel, They teach modalism instead of the Trinity , they push a version of Calvinism, and for them to have the nerve to say the 10 lost tribes became America , UK , Great Britian is just plain foolish and if you stick with the Bible you will find that it is not in agreement with that teaching , they are not a Christ Centered Ministry and they attack the plan of Salvation

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    1. Yes, they deride the simple preaching of the gospel – Murray has the meat of God’s Word. I do a podcast, if you’d like to get together and give your thoughts exposing them it would really help. I take it your African American, they don’t comprehend the racist nature of the Chapel – Murray’s followers need to see how offensive and God dishonoring his teaching is

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  7. What does God teach about judgement?

    Are you ready to receive judgement?

    Do you believe you know and understand gods word better than anyone else?

    Do you think the shepards chapel teaches deception purposely?

    Do you understand the concept of confirmation bias?

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