The Gospel in the Stars Exalts Babylonian Mystery Religion!

The ancient Israelites and the Zodiac
The ancient Israelites commonly used the Zodiac – this was unearthed in one of their synagogues…

All the great doctrines of the Christian faith were known, believed, cherished, and recorded in the stars from the earliest generations of our race, proving that God has spoken to man, and verily given him a revelation of truths and hopes precisely as written in our Scriptures, and so fondly cherished by all Christian believers” – Joseph Seiss

By that Mr. Seiss is referring to what we commonly know as the Zodiac signs, the constellations that make up the wheel of zoo animals, the circus side show for demonic freaks. You know, where we get our daily horoscope.

I’m Aries by the way. My sign according to the Gospel in the Stars somehow denotes the Crowned Lamb. I’m feeling really special right about now.

Before we get started, lets see how the new agers understand the wonderful sign of Aries…

“Every beginner in astrology knows that the conventional astrological symbol for this sign is exactly the same as the letter Upsilon in the Greek alphabet. This correspondence, moreover, leads to much else, because the Ram, or Aries, is the Lamb in Gnostic Christianity; and we shall find… that the Hebrew interpretation of this ogdoad (group of 8) of initials gives us a plain intimation that the Founder of the Rosicrucian Order is none other than this same Lamb, and it even names ‘Lamb’ by the Hebrew equivalent to one arrangement of his initials…” (The True and Invisible Rosicrucian Order, p. 40)

Consequently the Count Saint de Germain founded this order and he never dies, he’s coming to liberate humanity they say…

Ah, so the Gospel in the Stars that Murray promotes exalts and prepares the way for Antichrist… oops I didn’t mean to bring that up, let’s put that on the shelf for later!

Didn’t mean to spoil this for you stargazers out there, let’s start again. So some would have us to believe that all sorts of wonderful biblical knowledge is locked away in pagan zodiac signs…

Really? I guess we can throw our bible away and take up astrology. But were all the great doctrines of the bible originally encoded in the stars only later to become lost? Is the pagan zodiac really just a corruption of this pure protoevangelium?

Who could ever help us crack this code and reverse engineer the pagan zodiac? Murray has some suggestions on his booklist…

 

Capt book that the Chapel sells

 

The Gospel of the Stars, far from being the protoevangelium is no evangelium but rather another evangelium and therefore accursed.

“But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!” – Galatians 1:8 NASB

I would like to submit to you that the Gospel in the Stars is very contrary to the gospel. I acknowledge that though many well meaning people have promoted this teaching it is still nonetheless heretical and essentially antichrist.

This notion was introduced into Christendom in 1862 in a book called, Mazzaroth: or, the Constellations by a woman named Frances Rolleston. E.W. Bullinger a was a very close associate.

The basic premise is that the story of redemption was given to Adam by God. Adam and progeny encoded this story with the constellation signs. Eventually this wisdom devolved into the pagan zodiac and said wisdom became all but lost, until 1862 that is…

According to Murray and those teaching this error, the following verse is talking about the secret hidden biblical knowledge that can be extracted from the pagan zodiac…

(Psa 19:1) To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
(Psa 19:2) Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
(Psa 19:3) There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

Now we will need the aid of deft religious experts to help us decrypt the pagan zodiac… where will we turn?

Really this passage is about the glory of the heavenlies that God created in and of themselves. It is not making any reference to secret knowledge hidden in the pagan zodiac.

So that is the basic assertion – the story of redemption was originally given to Adam, who then because paper was lacking encoded this information within the stars which later became paganized. The reality is the pagan zodiac was always pagan and godless and never had a hint of truth in it…

E.W. Bullinger, God rest his Anglican soul, embellished Rolleston’s teaching with a book of his own to help popularize this whopper. Coincidentally, theologians of the 19th century must have really been bored – they didn’t have T.V. so they had to invent their own religious fantasies.

It must have tickled Murray’s heretical sensibilities to no end when he discovered the Gospel in the Stars. I used to own the book by E. Raymond Capt. that Murray endorses…

 

Where Did the Zodiac Constellation Signs Originate?

 

The truth is the Zodiac is explicitly condemned by the bible. It is at the heart of Babylonian mystery religion and sun worship.

It was invented at the tower of Babel and was part of the initial mystery religion. The tower of Babel itself was an observatory and was created to help facilitate this system of false worship.

When God scattered the people at Babel the people took this religion with them and started new civilizations based on the same general outline – like Egypt for instance.

The Israelites, too, were enamored with Babylonian mystery religion due to the influence of surrounding cultures…

“This is that Moses…to whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and IN THEIR HEARTS TURNED BACK AGAIN INTO EGYPT… And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifices unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the HOST OF HEAVEN: as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to Me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of FORTY YEARS IN THE WILDERNESS? Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the STAR OF YOUR GOD REMPHAN, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.” – Acts 7:37-43

The system of false worship initiated at the tower of Babel is the reason why all the curses of destruction pronounced in Deuteronomy came upon the Jews during the Babylonian captivity.

It reeks of ‘666’. In fact the number ‘666’ derives directly from sun worship and the zodiac. The sun passed through each house of the zodiac per day; each house has 3 rooms for a total of 36 rooms – this is where the magical square of the sun comes from and where we get the number ‘666’.

magical square of the sun, 666
magical square of the sun, 666

(Zep 1:4) I will also stretch out mine hand upon Judah, and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, and the name of the Chemarims with the priests;
(Zep 1:5) And them that worship the host of heaven upon the housetops; and them that worship and that swear by the LORD, and that swear by Malcham;

So the Israelites were punished for worshipping God and Baal. This is the direction Murray and others are leading people by advocating the “Gospel in the Stars” which is no more biblical than the moon being made of Swiss cheese.

The wheel of zoo animals IS the host of heaven… there’s a gospel in there somewhere? Sure there is. Fact is these characters in the zodiac represent demon gods. And you want to reconcile this idolatry with the story of redemption?

(Deu 5:7) Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
(Deu 5:8) Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
(Deu 5:9) Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

But you say, “it preaches real good, brother Tim, real good…” – indeed it does, my friend, indeed it does. Like hot pig slop in a bucket. And we’re about to have a real hog-slopping good time.

(Deu 4:19) And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

This is what the pagans and the Israelites did…

And that is what the zodiac is – a wheel of zoo animals, a system of sun based false worship… a circus side show for demonic freaks… but hey, I got an idea, let’s Christianize it – because Lord knows, if you take any demonic swill you can find and dress it up in Christian terminology Lord knows what kind of boon you’ll strike.

That’s what Rolleston, Seiss, Murray, Capt, Bullinger and those like them promoted…

A Christianized version of pagan idolatry. Kind of looks like something a Romanist would do. It origins were in hell – not some mythical protoevangelion. You know what they say about putting lipstick on a pig?

The pagan zodiac is the pig… the Gospel in the Stars is the lipstick – have fun with that and let me know how it works out for you. By the way, here’s the venerable Count Saint Germain, ruler of the Age of Aquarius, a true astrological turd in pig’s clothing…

Looks like someone’s gonna need a lot of lipstick!

St. Germain will need lipstick

 

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23 thoughts on “The Gospel in the Stars Exalts Babylonian Mystery Religion!

  1. The Zodiac “signs” are astrology. No one is disputing that God created the heavenlies for His glory, I am disputing that He created the zodiac “signs” for His glory. I am disputing that they were created by Adam in an uncorrupted form to preserve the story of redemption.

    Did Adam have astronomical knowledge? I’m sure he knew quite a bit but it’s pure speculation to say he invented the “signs” that became the Zodiac – which is a wheel of zoo animals the meaning of the word “Zodiac” bares this out. The Greek zodiakos means “a circle of animals.” There is proof however that the Zodiac has purely pagan origins, substantial proof.

    But first, there seems to be some conflict about the usage of the word, “signs”.

    “And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:”

    First, the individual “lights” we can say with certainty are the stars. There is nothing here about constellations which were created by men afterwards. As I said before, a constellation is a human construct. It is the random grouping fixed star patterns to which names and ideas are attached. The Zodiac obviously has 12 but there are dozens more. God created the stars – man created the constellations.

    You and I could invent a constellation this evening and give it a name if we wanted.

    The bible said God named the stars individually, not the Zodiac signs – and we are given no information of what he named them.

    The bible does make mention of constellations but that is no proof that God personally named them and ascribed meaning to them. Only three are mentioned. Orion is not part or the original Zodiac. The Pleiades only form a portion of Taurus.

    Concerning Mazzaroth in Job 38:22. This simply demonstrates that God is sovereign over the procession of the constellation signs. It is possible that it is simply referring constellations in the generic sense which could be used to demarcate times and not the signs of the Zodiac – either way it doesn’t say he created the Zodiac system…

    Even at Job’s time the ancients were infatuated with this system of sun worship which exalts creation over creator.

    The stars were to be for “signs”. What is a sign? A sign is not an omen. A sign is not a cosmic harbinger of things to come. A sign IS NOT the sun passing through the house of Aries heralding the triumph and soon return of the Crowned Lamb. This is what the pagan Zodiac deals with. Here’s the outline of biblical usage for the Hebrew word, “sign”…

    1. sign, signal
    a.) a distinguishing mark
    – b.) banner
    c.) remembrance
    – d.) miraculous sign
    – e.) omen
    – f.) warning
    2. token, ensign, standard, miracle, proof

    The individual stars demarcated seasons, years, days, et al. There is a multitude of useful information that can be gathered from observing the positioning of the stars. THESE ARE SIGNS. Nothing here is said about constellations. Could constellations be used in a similar fashion? Sure. But how do we know with 100% certainty that they have been used? Remember Occam’s razor.

    I remember some time ago all of the planets fell into a rare alignment – this was supposed to be a sign from God. A sign of what?

    (Deu 18:9) “When you come into the land that the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations.
    (Deu 18:10) There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer
    (Deu 18:11) or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead,
    (Deu 18:12) for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD. And because of these abominations the LORD your God is driving them out before you.

    Then we read…

    (Deu 18:14) for these nations, which you are about to dispossess, listen to fortune-tellers and to diviners. But as for you, the LORD your God has not allowed you to do this.

    The Israelites eventually adopted these practices and were subsequently destroyed – STAY AWAY FROM ANYTHING THAT ENDORSES THE ZODIAC, EVEN IN A CHRISTIAN SENSE!

    The Zodiac is a magic tool – used for divination, sun worship, interpreting omens and a whole host of other devilish nonsense. If you want to demonstrate it’s divine origin you will have your work cut out for you.

    But first, what do you mean by the word, “sign”?

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  2. The Hebrew word for “signs” is the same word (oth) as used for Cain’s “mark” and for Noah’s “token”, in reference to the rainbow. The “mark” signified Cain’s curse to others, the “token” signified God’s promise to Noah.

    The stars were put there to signify something to those of us here on earth. There are many useful things stars (and constellations) could be used to signify other than seasons, days and years…

    I’m really more interested your ideas about the origin of the constellation “signs” that constitute what we commonly know as the Zodiac. We can go around and around forever on what the word “sign” means because once again this is word that used in a multitude of ways…

    Stars are to “signify” certain things. Constellations more easily serve this purpose as they are more recognizable patterns. The word “signs” in Genesis is not used in the sense of an omen or a miraculous sign – which is the sense in which the Gospel in Stars advocates use. They assert that the “signs” here are referring to the gospel message.

    Please address that.

    Man projected religious ideas into these patterns. The Gospel in the Stars asserts that the signs in the Zodiac were once uncorrupted by paganism and contained the story of redemption. This is the main issue I’m concerned with.

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  3. I said stars could be used as signs in numerous other ways besides demarcating seasons.

    I agree with most of what you said. I have no problem calling the star a “sign” with the example of the way God used one in the Matthew account.

    I don’t know if you’re suggesting it (I would assume you are), my only issue is interpreting signs in Genesis in the sense of “foretelling” or prophecy. This is what the Gospel in the Stars advocates are condoning… that the pagan zodiac signs contain hidden prophecy pertaining to Christ, the story of redemption and his future advents.

    For example, Aries representing the crowned lamb. Objectively, this connection doesn’t exist – only in the imagination of those who believe it does it exist, they subsequently mistake this for divine truth.

    GOS advocates usually go the next step and start deducing “prophetic” information based on other zodiac specific details. Because of the foundation, it all devolves back into paganism and idolatry albeit a Christianized version, or Gnosticism.

    It may sound absurd but you and I are free to invent a constellation tonight and call it Calvin’s Tulip. Try as we might, we would be unable to find any support for our actions it in scripture. Sure, it’s biblical and sounds nice – but God didn’t create it. It would be wrong for me to then go and compel people to believe that God endorses the TULIP based on this constellation I invented. You get the picture.

    You did make reference to Rolleston, Seiss and Bullinger – that was their position. That signs are to meant in the sense of “foretelling”, i.e. God placed specific prophecies for humanity with the 12 constellation signs.

    I do not agree with that.

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  4. The star that appeared before the wise men to guide them to Christ could be considered a “prophetic sign” – it could also just simply be considered a sign (God was guiding them to the location). It could be speaking of a specific fulfillment of the Numbers passage, but it doesn’t have to be – it could have just been speaking of the Messiah in general.

    The wise men if they knew of Daniel’s prophecy would have had a good idea about the time of Messiah’s birth. It says the star appeared to them – as though God sent that particular star as a sign to guide them.

    They literally followed the star – doesn’t sound like any normal star. Did it appear out of nowhere? If not, what star are we referring to?

    If you observe closely this situation is nothing like what we are talking about concerning “prophecies” in the zodiac.

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  5. Morning Mr. Campbell,
    As simple as I can say it, if a star (Greek word, by usage and implication; heavenly star) appears and leads the wise men to Jesus then it fulfilled prophecy! I will not even consider the thought that the Old Testament is not fulfilled in Jesus Christ. I don’t think you mean that or even mean to imply it, but as I read your response it seems that way to me. We can’t pick and choose which Old Testament verses we want to accept. Even if we consider prophecies fulfilled, such as you incline via the book of Daniel, such prophecies are still implied as a ‘type’ to which we can discern in future events.

    Anyways, I have provided a large amount of scriptures to support what I believe. Maybe you can provide me with scriptures that imply otherwise. I have been trying, ever so diligently, to give supporting scriptures from the bible to show why people like Mr. Bullinger and Mr. Capt would believe that there are signs in the celestial skies. God said it, as I illustrated, that one of the 4 purposes of the celestial entities was for signs. God then provided a clear example of this by use of the wise men. What more can I say?

    Now, with regard to your last statement about the ‘zodiac.’
    I, personally, do NOT like to call the constellations by the ‘zodiac’ names. Why? because they have been mixed with pagan stories and names. Granted the Greeks did a good job making stories for each grouping of stars which are still acknowledged today. Yet, that does not make the stories true nor does it diminish the true essence of the celestial entities that our Father made. Furthermore, people began to WORSHIP these stars which we know is strictly prohibited by our Father.

    Let me state it this way. We humans always complicate things. Instead of keeping the text as a status-quo we like to add, change, alter, substitute and straight out delete what we don’t like. What is clear and pure becomes convoluted and murky. The simple becomes complicated. Is it no wonder we have so many ‘wishy-washy’ churches out there?

    As I mentioned before I have limited time this week but will add a little today. Let’s go to the book of Job.

    In the 38 chapter of Job we have God directly speaking to Job out of a whirlwind. Basically God had enough of the foolishness of man questioning him about what a human knows. This is why it begins as follows:

    Job 38:1-4
    “Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.”

    God is about to inquiry of Job should he know any of these things. To which, obviously, Job hasn’t a clue! God then speaks of the CONSTELLATIONS!

    Job 38:31-33
    “Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven?”

    In these few verses we have GOD stating the creation, acknowledgement and comprehension of not just a singular star, sun or moon but RATHER a CONSTELLATION OR GROUPING OF STARS AND/OR SUNS.
    Why would God call them by such a name if He thought they were something else? Furthermore we have the use and employment of the Hebrew name Mazzaroth (not Zodiac).

    Strong’s Hebrew #4216 is transliterated as Mazzaroth from the Hebrew. It is NOT translated because it is NOT the Zodiac! Even though it is obvious from the usage and employment of the Greek words for star clusters as Orion, Pleiades and Arcturus (Arcturus & his sons) we do NOT have the same with the word Zodiac. The translators knew that the constellations were not a part of the made-up stories of the 3 century BC fairy tales created by the Greek. Just check out this Hebrew word. It is only used here in the entire bible. It is written in a verse and syntax that includes 3 celestial (constellations) entities thus connecting it as one in the same. Notice how the Hebrew word Mazzaroth appears in the middle of the thought; middle of the verses and between the 3 constellations mentioned. (No ambiguities in syntax, employment or within context!)

    Now why would our Father state the Mazzaroth when discussing the star clusters to Job? Just read the last verse (v. 33);

    “Knowest thou the ordinances of the heaven?”

    In other words, God is inquiring (rhetorically) of Job if he knows the laws concerning the heavenly hosts! He went through 3 constellation groups and then mentions the entire 12 original celestial star clusters before asking Job if he know the rules that govern them. Obviously Job hasn’t a clue as to that level of knowledge. But, in our study, it demonstrates that our Father is a SUPER-GENIUES who knows and created everything. Thus the stars, moons, suns individually, collectively, in number and extraordinarily by name.

    Enough said. Got to run. Let me know your thoughts.
    Also I need your supporting bible scriptures. Really!
    So far I have only received conjecture followed by supposition.

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    • I only have one passage of scripture to use in regards to all of this…

      “Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.” – Is. 47:13-14

      The Gospel in the Stars is the repackaging of roadkill, the polishing of a turd – I know you’re looking at this from a different angle but I will never be able to accept it as you see it again.

      Robert Brown, a critic and contemporary of Bullinger’s so called Gospel in the Stars raised this argument…

      “…in a later and larger work entitled ‘The Witness of the Stars,’ I am sorry to say, that the Doctor has advanced views, which are not only unsound but are far more dangerous than those I have already referred to: for in this Book he has taught doctrines which certainly savor of heresy; if indeed they be not in themselves, as many even think, distinctly heretical…

      “But the great evil of the Book, lies in its teaching that we have IN THE STARS another revelation from God, which the Doctor asserts is a ‘pure and undefiled,’ and, therefore, as authoritative and true, as the revelation which we have in the Bible itself; and as the so-called science of Astrology is again rapidly coming to the front, and has many adherents, in these days, my solemn conviction is that this work will greatly tend to foster and extend this abomination…”

      He’s being much too nice. I don’t have the patience for his lies – his teachings on soul sleep, the nature of the Godhead, annihilationism and hyperdispensationalism should be enough to send up ten-thousand red flags…

      But okay, suppose you’re right and the original 12 constellation signs that constitute what we call the zodiac were in existence before the flood. How do you know that these prophetic stories that Bullinger asserts were associated with them?

      It seems to me like the wildest speculation. In fact I have studied this in depth – I have every reason to believe that these 12 signs originated in reference to the religion created surrounding Nimrod, Tammuz and his demented wife Semiramis. The fact that they are in the narrow band like they are suggests a system of sun worship was the intent.

      This is the first article I researched exposing this nonsense when I first rejected it in April 2005. Coincidentally the Lord has never since then laid it on my conscience to reclaim my former position…

      http://watch.pair.com/zodiac.html — THE FALSE GOSPEL IN THE STARS, plenty of scripture for you there as well.

      It was the first thing that the Lord led me to when he began to separate me the particulars of what Bullinger taught. I truly began to see that the gospel in the “stars” was no gospel at all. I will stick with the gospel in the new testament and leave the speculating to others who are little more convinced than myself.

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  6. I am equally frustrated with your responses – as you do the same thing that you say that I do.

    When the discussion turns to whether there was a primitive gospel encoded in this Mazzaroth you become strangely silent.

    There is only one verse that you’re wanting me to explain and that is Job 38:22 and the word “Mazzaroth” – and it appears only once in the whole bible. A related word is used in 2nd Kings, “mazalot” that IS used in the sense of astrology:

    “And the king stood on the platform, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep His commandments, and His testimonies, and His statutes, with all his heart, and all his soul, to confirm the words of this covenant that were written in this book; and all the people stood to the covenant. And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, and the priests of the second order, and the keepers of the door, to bring forth out of the temple of the LORD all the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the Asherah, and for all the host of heaven; and he burned them without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of them unto Beth-el. And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to offer in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that offered unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the constellations, and to all the host of heaven.”

    We can discuss “Mazzaroth” at length. Mazzaroth was a grouping of star patterns in the celestial equator. The function of Mazzaroth was to calculate times, seasons, days, months, years… not to discern prophetic information.

    Did such a system predate the flood? Possibly. Did such a system have prophetic information embedded within it? NO, not unless it was the astrological counterpart. And now we are back to our contention over the word “sign” and the intended function heavenly bodies in Genesis.

    You shouldn’t be so eager to abandon the discussion.

    It is very conceivable that Cain’s descendants originated astrology but what is certain is that it was either created or expanded and solidified it at the tower.

    It is conceivable that the pre-flood patriarchs created a system of constellation signs to help them discern days, seasons and years but there is no evidence that this was a system of prophecy or a protoevangelion.

    When you interpret the word “signs” in Genesis 1:14 to be interpreted as an “omen”, prophecy, et. al. you have crossed over into astrology be it ever so Christian.

    I will follow up this response shortly when I have a moment…

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  7. Signs mean signals as to days, years, months, seasons, times, location, et. al – not messages themselves. This is where you flew off the rail. I said a whole universe of useful information could be deduced from the stars (and constellations, but Genesis is referring specifically to stars). I made this very clear up front. You take “signs” to be something completely different.

    Let’s simplify – specifically, what is the difference between the Mazzaroth and the Zodiac? And does Mazzaroth have to refer specifically to the 12 constellation signs in the equatorial belt. Seems the most appropriate translation would be constellations in general. But still it doesn’t matter, you are asserting secret information in the signs themselves – that’s a much bigger problem.

    Also, regarding Psalm 19:1-2…

    “The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.”

    What knowledge is it talking about? I would interpret this in it’s simplest sense. The heavens in and of themselves (not secret knowledge within the mazzaroth) teach us about the glory of God.

    I’m quoting you, “I’m going to keep saying it – He (our Father) created the heavenly host for SIGNS. That is an omen, token, or such. How many times can I say it.”

    Apparently you don’t mean an omen in the sense that Deuteronomy condemns – but what knowledge do you suggest the heavens are teaching us? And are you suggesting that this passage is talking about the Mazzaroth?

    You can discuss those things but your last paragraph alarms me. I don’t want to accuse you of being engaged in astrology but it seems you’re walking a very fine line mixing the two (astronomy and astrology) together with scripture.

    Maybe this is what Aho is picking up on that you responded negatively to?

    If what you’re saying reveals the grandeur of the Father I just don’t see it. I can on the other hand see how the heavens themselves declare the glory of God.

    In your words, what was the specific purpose for which the Mazzaroth was designed?

    But as I said before I’m more concerned about the premise that a primitive gospel and story of redemption was encoded within the signs.

    Which premise you don’t seem to want to address.

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  8. I’m thankful for your persistence with this article – it has only compelled me to study into it more; unfortunately the conclusions about this subject that I came to ten years ago have only been strengthened. There is so much to attack in regards to this that it boggles the mind.

    Alexander Hislop’s insight into the matter in the Tale of Two Babylon’s is particularly destructive but since you cannot be trifled by the insights of those who oppose your view I won’t trouble you.

    Even if those I source are part of the body of Christ and given knowledge by God.

    But for those who want to see this thing stripped down and exposed for the wicked lie that it is…

    http://www.ldolphin.org/PDFs/The_Two_Babylons-Alexander_Hislop.pdf

    So, what about the Hebrew words for these constellations? What is translated as “Orion” (Kesil) means “fool”, “immense”, “burly” or “colossal” in the Hebrew. The word for Plaiedes means “cluster”, “herd” or “group”. Also, are not Orion, Plaiedes and Arcturus pagan names? How do you know the Hebrew terms refer to signs within the Zodiac? The term Mazzaroth could be referring to any number of constellations and not just to the 12 signs in the celestial equator.

    There is also ample evidence that “Mazzaroth” was also a Hebrew word simply referring to “the sun, the moon and the stars”.

    Even if Mazzaroth referred to the 12 constellations in the Zodiac, YOU STILL CANNOT DEMONSTRATE THAT PROPHETIC KNOWLEDGE IS BOUND UP IN THEM. This secret knowledge you promote IS GNOSTICISM.

    Syncretism is condemned in a multitude of places throughout the old testament, particularly in regards to the Zodiac – how much scripture do you want? Do you want me to present to you an unending wall of biblical text?

    You have one passage from a poetic book in support of the Gospel in the Stars and it doesn’t even really prove your point. Forgive me if I lack desire to sympathize with that view.

    The wise men most likely knew the prophecies of Daniel and the approximate time of Christ’s arrival. They didn’t discern that time through the Gospel in the Stars. The Star of Bethlehem was a unique event and not a constellation sign in the Mazzaroth heralding the Lamb of God.

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  9. And it’s strange that you would call Aho a one verse revolving Rev. – I was looking through the articles on the Gospel in the Stars (there are more than 20) and they are not only lengthy and well sourced but reference a multitude of scripture as well.

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  10. Okay – apparently you miss a lot of what I post because I think there were several responses to just the one comment (four comments actually). Many times I will post more than one response, so go back and check.

    Okay, I’m going through your response – it’s really hard to read… it’s just a series of personal attacks with exclamation points and question marks.

    You misrepresent a great deal of what I say. Such as the issue with comparing mazalot with Mazzaroth; mazalot is the zodiac. I wasn’t calling Mazzaroth the zodiac – I was only demonstrating similarities.

    My point was that Mazzaroth was only used once in the bible, and that this other word was the closest thing to it.

    But you took it that way and went off on your tirade.

    Once again, Hebrew words (owth) can have a multitude of applications depending on the given context, but I refuse to discuss that again.

    The gospel in the stars is Gnosticism.

    I have the counsel of God’s word, I don’t need the message that the Queen of Babylon has to say to me in the stars.

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    • As in this translation from the NLT…

      Then God said, “Let lights appear in the sky to separate the day from the night. Let them be signs to mark the seasons, days, and years.

      Now who is lying? This is how I meant it originally and stated as such.

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    • Tonight I will put a response together that you will be much pleased with – in the interim here’s a message that I received today on this very issue we are discussing… this is from Lew White of the Torah Institute (www.torahzone.net)

      Dear brother Timothy,
      “Living Oracles” are not the “living animals”, but rather the Living Words. The Living Words are what Stephen speaks of at Acts 7:38, and he is referencing the Eternal Covenant given at Sinai. The very first Commandment tell us:

      “I am Yahuah your Alahim; have no other before My face.” Next, He says not to make any image of anything in the heavens above . . . . and to not bow down to them. In His Words recorded by YirmeYahu, the signs of the heavens are “worthless” – no matter what purpose one can imagine for them. They were never anything clean, but designed from Babel’s pattern of false worship. They are in the golden cup filled with abominations in the hand of the woman Babel, which drove the nations mad (YirmeYahu 51:7, Rev 17:4)

      The prohibition to give any respect (recognition, appreciation) to the signs in the heavens is very clear. Such behavior was never “clean” and then changed later on. In just a few examples, I will try to show you how paying attention to the signs of the heavens is a transgression of Yahuah’s Covenant, in His Own Words.

      Deception begins with a snake, a person, or a book that comes along and says Yahuah told us to avoid something, and then proceeds to think of it in a different way, for another purpose, and it will be fine to go ahead with it with the new understanding.

      All we need is an excuse, and we’re ready to follow along with the logic of any spell-binding dream weaver (whisperers and mutterers, soothsayers).

      They use Scripture skillfully to trick us, just as shatan attempted to do with Yahusha when He was physically weak. But the fasting made Yahusha focus on Yahuah’s Mind even more, and that’s what we must do to break-down the strongholds (false reasonings) that hold us in their grip.

      “Thus said Yahuah, ‘Do not learn the way of the gentiles, and do not be awed by the signs of the heavens, for the gentiles are awed by them.’” Jer / YirmeYahu 10:2

      There is absolutely no excuse or logic given by Yahuah for us to be awed by the signs of the heavens, before or after shatan perverted them (as the dream weaver might tell us). The elephant in the room is this: Yahuah never directed us to watch for His plan of redemption written in the mazzaroth.

      Those who say so must twist Yahuah’s Words, turning His Words into wormwood. His plan of redemption is in the shadows of thing to come, pictured in His annual festivals, Passover, Matsah, First-fruits, Shabuoth, Yom Teruah, Yom Kafar, and Sukkoth. Sukkoth is the wedding supper, and it’s not pictured up in the stars anywhere.

      When I look up at the night sky, there is only one message written there, and the sweet singer of Yisharal saw the message:

      “For I see Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, The moon and the stars, which You have established. What is man that You remember him? And the son of man that You visit him?” Psa 8:3, 4

      There’s no message “written” in the stars that concerns anyone, other than to display the majestic power and beauty of Yahuah’s character.

      One might just as well say there’s a message in the flowers, trees, and hills.

      “To the Torah and to the witness! If they do not speak according to this Word, it is because they have no daybreak.” Isa / YashaYahu 8:20

      The Magi (magicians, scientists from Babel) did not use the constellation of “Virgo” as some might say they did. They were astrologers (therefore idolaters) who searched for references to “stars” in the Scriptures, and found evidence of another soothsayer, Balaam who prophesied in Numbers 24:

      “‘I see Him, but not now; I observe Him, but not near. A Star shall come out of YaAqob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Yisharal, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and shall destroy all the sons of Sheth.” Num 24:17 It is likely Balaam was known to the Magi as one of their own ancestors.

      That’s all there is to it. Yahuah sent a messenger that appeared in the heavens which they took to be a star, as seen from the east.

      Reading more into this, we can be carried away into constellations and all kinds of other deception. The Magi acted on what looked like a star, not a set of constellations. To read any more into this is why Yahuah tells us about false prophets making up their own words, not speaking His Words (Jer / YirmeYahu 23:16).

      Yahuah is clear about incorporating the signs (animal shapes) in the heavens into our understanding. Ezek / Yekezqel 8:

      “And He said to me, “Son of man, please dig into the wall.” And when I dug into the wall I saw a door.

      And He said to me, “Go in, and see the evil abominations which they are doing there.”

      And I went in and looked and saw all kinds of creeping creatures, abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Yisharal, carved all around on the walls.

      And facing them (the carvings of animals) stood 70 men of the elders of the house of Yisharal, and in their midst stood YazanYahu son of Shaphan. Each one had a censer in his hand, and a thick cloud of incense went up.” Eze 8:8-11

      They had painted the zodiac inside the Temple, as they had made mosaic-tile floors with zodiacs in their synagogues.

      All these structures have been laid-waste.

      Acts 7:42, 43 should be a warning to all:

      “So Alahim turned and gave them up to worship the host of the heaven, as it has been written in the book of the Prophets, ‘Did you bring slaughtered beasts and offerings unto Me during 40 years in the wilderness, O house of Yisharal?

      ‘And you took up the tent of Molek, and the star* of your mighty one Kiyyun, images which you made to bow before them. Therefore I shall remove you beyond Babel.’ *star – this is not the seal of Daud as some Christians like to teach, but rather Kiyyun is another name for Molok, aka Kronos (Greek) or Saturn (Roman). Stephen’s listeners were offended by his criticism of their cherished zodiac decorations, but he was just getting warmed-up for the grande finale: the Name they would not utter. When Stephen declared the Name “Yahuah”, they screamed and shut-up their ears, and took him out and stone him to death.

      The bottom line is, Yahuah has not told us to use the constellations for any purpose whatsoever. To do so is the death penalty, and those who teach others to do so are ensnaring the innocent to perform what Yahuah calls an abomination:

      “When there is found in your midst, in any of your cities which Yahuah your Alahim is giving you, a man or a woman who does what is evil in the eyes of Yahuah your Alahim, in transgressing His Covenant, and has gone and served other mighty ones and bowed down to them, or to the sun or to the moon or to any of the host of the heavens, which I have not commanded, and it has been made known to you and you have heard, and has searched diligently. Then see, if true: the matter is confirmed that such an abomination has been done in Yisharal…” – Deu 17:2-4

      Notice Yahuah said “which I have not commanded”. I’m convinced, and hope you’ll be fine with my conviction about this. If you continue to listen to those who say they have insights about the constellations, and you understand Dt 17 above, you may be in severe danger of having been captured in a “stronghold”, a mental fortress of reasoning that will hold you until you manage to look at things from Yahusha’s point view, and see them for what they really are. I have never had Yahusha, Whose Spirit is in me, guide me into reading about mysticism (Kabbalah, or the Zohar), or any Gnostic “secret wisdom”. The Magi are not my example for how to live, Yahusha is.

      Those who listen to what these Words of Yahuah say, and completely ignore the “signs in the heavens”, are not going to be confronted by Yahuah in the world-to-come for ignoring them; He never told us to pay attention to them; He told us to NOT pay attention to them. So, that’s what I have to teach.

      If other teachers spend time teaching about the nuances of the constellations, in my view something has gone horribly wrong.

      Love is our goal in all we do,

      http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/zodiac.html
      http://www.fossilizedcustoms.com/bynv.html

      Lew White
      Torah Institute
      POB 436044, Louisville, KY 40253
      502-261-9833
      http://www.torahzone.net

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    • Okay, here’s my definition using references… from:
      http://www.bibleunderground.com/mazzaroth-warning.html

      “Because some of the confusion being capitalized on by deceivers comes from the definitions of mazzaroth, zodiac and astrology, lets define those words:

      MAZZAROTH, mazzalah, mazzarah are Hebrew words for planets, constellation/(s)

      According to Strong’s Concordance:
      •Mazzaroth (Job 38:32) Hebrew 4216 mazzarah; 1. some noted constellation (only in the plural), perhaps collectively, the zodiac

      •Planets (2 Kings 23:5) Hebrew 4208 mazzalah; 1. a constellation, i.e. Zodiacal sign

      James Strong did not understand the distinction between mazzaroth and zodiac; zodiac being the man created emblem representing the planets and constellations (mazzaroth). So while the mazzaroth existed since creation, the zodiac sign and it’s symbols had it’s origins in Babylon.

      ZODIAC: the division of the courses of the constellations into 12 bands and the sign or diagram representing the 12 bands with the symbols and their names – It was the Chaldeans (babylonian astrologers) that divided the mazzaroth into 12 bands, named them with symbols and created the chart to represent them. The word zodiac means circle of animals.

      ASTROLOGY – the ancient art or science of divining the fate and future of human beings from indications given by the positions of the stars (sun, moon and planets) – 1911 Classic Encyclopedia

      Astrology is divination utilizing the the planets and constellations (mazzaroth)”.

      I concur with this definition. The Mazzaroth refers to the sun, moon, stars, planets and constellations in their primal, non-individuated form.

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    • Another response today from Lew White discussing these interpretive issues in Job…

      Hi Timothy,
      My translation (BYNV) corrects many of the Medieval errors not known to the KJV translators.

      “JOB” or Ayub has several translational errors because 400+ years ago all they understood was Babel’s zodiac, arrogant pagan nonsense Yahuah despises.

      You can put these new understandings into the reading of the text, and sense the healing of the message:

      AISH – is not Arcturus, the Bear, but a Hebrew word meaning “fire”, and refers to all light seen in the skies. It simply means “starlight.”

      KESIL (translated Orion) – a Hebrew world used in the book of Ayub, meaning “folly.” It is an abstraction for “infinity.”

      KIMAH (translated Pleiades) – Hebrew for “cluster.” This is best translated “galaxies.” Galaxies weren’t discovered until the 1920’s, but Yahuah knew they were there, and described them through Ayub.

      MAZZAROTH – all of the “host of heaven”, including anything giving light; sun, moon, stars, nebulae, galaxies, quasars, etc.

      Lew White
      Torah Institute
      POB 436044, Louisville, KY 40253
      502-261-9833
      http://www.torahzone.net

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  11. You and I have different ideas about bible translations. The translators of the NLT were attempting to convey the original meaning of the text with dynamic equivalence. I respect that. KJV attempts to do the same thing with a different approach, formal equivalence. I respect that as well. They both have the same intent. Do they miss the mark sometimes? Sure, but there are innate difficulties when translating any text from one time and language to another…

    The vast majority of us will always need to depend upon some translation or another as not everyone has the capacity to take up the research required in order to fully understand the original meaning of the text.

    NLT – New Living Translation, it is actually a good translation even if does have its shortcomings. It clarifies a lot of obscure renderings of the original text in the KJV. I particularly like the NLT for the historical books and other parts of the OT that are just plain difficult to understand in the KJV. On the other hand the KJV works well for me in the NT.

    You don’t like the fact that I reference other translations? I have E-sword on my computer and I regularly compare the way in which translators dealt with the text and there is wide variations – and many times consensus about what a word means… I learn a lot from this.

    I would consider someone who devotes their life to translating the word an authority and I will at least consider what they have to say even if I don’t like their version. There are others who confer with that translation of the word sign, I merely was giving an example. You want another?

    You seem to think that all translations of the bible are somehow inadequate? Sure, there are errors – some versions are even very bad. The NIV is very bad but many of the translators were Christian and tried to do service to the original meaning… I am free to compare translations to get better insight into the meaning of a text. Sorry you don’t agree.

    I consider the KJV to be the best translation but many of its renderings are obscure and do my understanding no good.

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  12. I am not accusing you of those things. What I am saying is this: If what you understand by “Mazzaroth” is a twelve sign system in the celestial equator for discerning prophetic information about the redemptive plan of God, then you are deriving this from something that has it’s basis in the pagan Zodiac and not vice versa.

    That is the reason those scriptures are employed. Because to someone from my position they are applicable and there are a myriad of texts condemning anything to do with that very system of 12 signs as it reeks of the very idolatry you condemn.

    I DO NOT understand the “Mazzaroth” to refer to any primordial system of 12 constellation signs encoded with prophetic information.

    I do not believe the pagan zodiac derives from some pristine “Mazzaroth” defined as I would anticipate you would define it (though you haven’t specifically defined it).

    Now, since I have given my definition of the Mazzaroth, you must give yours if we are to proceed.

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  13. You mention that referencing others ideas, et al. is “chicken”. That has nothing to do with it. I acknowledge that the body of Christ has many members – members whom God has gifted in many different ways. Some he has given insights, gifts of wisdom and knowledge and understanding into a variety of things. When I reference the opinion of someone else I am clarifying the issue and outlining the positions. We are discussing the original meaning of scripture. These people are dealing with the same texts. I am not an expert, I would like to see what others have to say about this and not those who simply advocate the “Gospel in the Stars”.

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