Arnold Murray Has Passed Away…

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Pastor Arnold Murray has died. I respect the man and revered him as great teacher for many years. The time came when Lord Jesus Christ opened my eyes to the deception he was teaching…

As a person, I truly liked Pastor Murray – he was likable in many ways. As a teacher I enjoyed studying with him in my youth but now in retrospect I deplore what he did… I forgive him for leading myself and others astray.

I was once an ardent student of the Chapel, hanging on Murray’s every word. I began studying with Murray in early 1994. Around 2005 Jesus Christ began to fully deliver me from spiritual bondage.

The repercussions of internalizing Murray’s teaching affected my life personally in a very negative way. That having been said, I take responsibility.

He will be held accountable for his end of the deal and the bible has some very stern words about these things.

Arnold Murray was a false teacher and deceived many. Even now from the grave through the religious legacy that he left behind people are ensnared.

Part of my calling here is to expose his system and help others break free. May God have mercy on his soul.

At this point many will cry out, “you’re being hateful, you’re being judgmental!”

I don’t hate Arnold Murray, Dennis Murray or any of his followersbut I do hate the demonic system of falsehood that they put forth. And yes, I will continue to attack it – and if you can’t see the difference in the two it’s because you don’t want to.

God is removing a tremendous stumbling block from the feet of His church. And yes, the Shepherd’s Chapel continues on leading people astray and I am at war with it.

You see, I was once in this cult but by the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ I am free from it. I have a furious hatred for false religion…

This blog deals specifically with the Chapel deception and helping people break free.

Many think that because of his passing this ministry will begin to wane in influence but nothing could be further from the truth.

In the years to come as America begins to deteriorate and descend into civil unrest the Christian Identity movement will rocket into the heavens in terms of it’s influence. The Shepherd’s Chapel ministry represents the most significant aspect of this movement.

As with all successful false religions there are always those who are only too willing to pick up the torch and proceed. Dennis Murray is waiting in the wings to take this thing over and his doctrine is identical to his father’s.

All that being said I like Dennis despite his falsehood. I feel really bad for him because of what he has been brought into by his father.

It would be like being raised in a home where everyone is Muslim. You would naturally believe whatever you are taught to believe… but he is not without excuse. I’m sure there have been many occasion’s in the past where he could have separated but he did not.

I am quite interested now to see how the Chapel will evolve and if the doctrine will change any.

I hope for Arnold Murray’s his sake God granted him salvation despite his heresy and false teaching but I truly believe he died in a lost state. But if it makes you feel any better I will leave questions regarding the eternal state of his soul up to God. I forgave him. End of story.

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Author: Timothy Campbell

Independent researcher exposing Joel's Army / Latter-Rain Movement, Christian evangelist and helping to expose the plot of the ages - the church will be here during the great tribulation (or Golden Age of Gaia) and will have resist the beast and his mark...

99 thoughts on “Arnold Murray Has Passed Away…”

  1. Actually Pastor Murray was 84, didn’t quite make it to 85. I was upset with you when I first ran into your posts about Shepherd’s Chapel. You seem to be a good guy, with good intentions, but come across as being confused.

    Many things you dispute that Pastor Murray taught you just can’t comprehend. You said that Pastor Murray’s students are obsessed, but you are obsessed with disputing what he taught.

    Pastor Murray had, and still has millions and millions of students. What will you do when we all start teaching what he taught. No offense to you but it’s like hot air blowing in the desert. No one is listening to what you have to say…

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    1. I can’t believe that you get online and dispute the word of God as you have been doing. How can u say pastor murrary was a cult? Watch what you say about one God teachers. I’d be afraid to say the things you have been saying for fear of something happening to myself. Did you ever see lightning strike a large tree and split it from top to the bottom? You know u could become a tree by diputing the word of God being taught by anyone that God has chosen to do his work.

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      1. I was a student of Pastor Murray, I was baptized by Dennis Murray in Branson MO. I attended several Passover services in Branson, Mo. I have been to Gravette AR to Shepherd’s Chapel and watched while Arnold Murray taped service. I met Arnold Murray, Dennis and David personally. I studied with Shepherd’s Chapel from 1996 to 2006. I had most of the tapes/CD’s. I now know that what he taught was false. He is wrong about the rapture and antichrist coming first, about Israel, about the serpent’s seed and the Kenites, about many things. I do not understand why God allowed his teaching to go on and on. He was not a Bible scholar, he did not understand the word of God. Why, I don’t know. If you have been deceived by his teaching, I am sorry. With an open mind, please do this: get a good Bible commentary by a real Bible scholar read it and study it. Don’t just pass off what I am telling you, get a second opinion, so to speak. That is the best advice I can give you. I believe that Arnold Murray and his sons were and are sincere in what they believe, but they are wrong. May the Lord Jesus Christ be your guide. Truly Yours Justine Votaw

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      2. Hi Justine. Dig deep at this point. I see some of what is happening here – you have been sucked into dispensational premillennialism coming out of Chapel teaching. It is it’s own beast and not too much different from Murray’s teaching but you need to crack it open as well, it plays a big part in the deception of the final days. In fact, Bullinger was a strong supported of Darby who revived a new form of Chiliasm… I’m not making this up you’re caught up in dispensational premillennialism… I’m going to devote some articles to this in the near future.

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      3. I’M 62 YEARS OLD AND I HAVE BEEN LISTENING AND STUDING WITH SHEPHERD’S CHAPEL FOR 12 YEARS. HE HAS OPENED MY EYES UP ON MANY THINGS IN THE BIBLE THAT MANY OTHER CHURCHES FAILED TO DO.

        I DON’T HAVE THE SPACE ON THIS WEB SITE TO TELL YOU THE THINGS HE SHOWN ME AND I HAVE READ YOUR WHOLE PAGE THAT YOU HAVE AND MY FRIEND YOU DON’T KNOW ENOUGHT ABOUT THE BIBLE TO TALK DOWN ON PASTOR MURRAY.

        HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR THE DEAD HE CANT DEFEND HIS SELF NOW SO GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE AND DROP ALL OF THIS FOOLISHNESS AND GET ON FINDING GOD ON YOUR OWN TERMS AND PLEASE LEAVE SHEPHERD’S CHAPEL PEOPLE AND THE CHURCH ALONE.

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    2. Pastor Arnold Murray was a great teacher and he knew the bible well. Their were nothing false about him,or his teaching. He is the best teacher I ever known. For you to say these horrible things about Pastor Murray which everyone that Study with him know that all of what you said Tim is untrue. Know one is going to listen to you because if they do they will be hell bound for sure. That’s where you going if you don’t get your act together. I can say more about your blasphemous against Pastor Arnold but I will not because I can go on and on. Instead I am going to leave you with this scripture. Matthew 7:1 Do not judge, or you too will be judged 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
      Jesus tells us to examine our own motives and conduct instead of judging others. The traits that bother us in others are often the habits we dislike in ourselves. Our untamed bad habits and behavior patterns are the very ones that we most want to change in others. Do you find it easy to magnify others faults while excusing your own? If you are ready to criticize someone, check to see if you deserve the same criticism. Judge yourself first,and then lovingly forgive and help your neighbor.

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    3. I love arold Murray I started praying to God and before I even saw his show God put him in my path everything I prayed about this Man was talking about the very prayer that no one new about Only GOD. And you call your self a follower of Jesus CHRIST if we r to pick up the cross as JESUS said and did how dose this make it right you that degrade Arnold MUrray ….just saying

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    4. As you speak I feel your feelings, also I have followed pastor Murray for more than 20 years I feel your deception your feeling is really yourself, I might be wrong, but having a long knowledge of the lord . I think your fruitless in what you say about pastor Arnold Murray .

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    5. Ken Curtis the actor who played Festus Haggen on Gunsmoke said. How do you know the person that wrote the reading look it right don’t you see? So listen my friend the bottom line is study God’s word chapter by chapter verse by verse staying with the subject and object spoken about and the Simplicity that God and smog man to ride it. Traditions of men make God would void.

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  2. Hi Bobby,
    Be specific – and don’t think no one is listening, that I don’t know what I’m talking about and that God hasn’t called me to expose this ministry, you’d be amazed; I started this blog a few months ago and am already getting quite a bit of traffic just from the little that I’ve posted so far. Like I said, be specific about the scriptural issues you say that I’m in error about otherwise we can proceed no further. This blog is designed to help people deprogram from this cult and I’ve only just begun
    CIJ

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    1. How is this a cult? As a practicing Catholic, I know a little about cults. All I see when I watch Shepherd’s Chapel is word for word reading and explaining of God’s word. They don’t try to persuade me to do anything but listen and make up my own mind. God has a lot to do with that. How do I know that you weren’t sent to confuse the word. A person writes a blog and people are supposed to accept your interpretation of what a Biblical scholar means (and yes they did study ancient Hebrew), I will pray that you see the way before it is to too late.

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      1. Thank you for your prayers, Paul. I must respectfully disagree. I have written extensively on this blog detailing how this is a cult. If you care to know more you will have to study into more extensively. I have provided some help. I advise you to be careful and use discernment.

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      2. Right on Brother!!!! You hit the nail on the head, Paul. Seems to me that if you believe and discover something in the Scripture besides what the Murray’s have taught you then good on you, Timothy, I have studied The Word almost as early as I learned to read almost 50 years ago. I have also followed many different schools of thought and preachers with different leanings of the truth as they see it. The Murray’s have rightly emphasized not to get into dissension, but find the unity between us Christians, (especially in this day and age) and then let God lead you the rest of the way. You are gravely mistaken, Mr Campbell if you think this is your calling. If you are, I suspect the caller is not out Father. The Murray’s do nothing but help lead you to the Lord. They are no Jim Jones’ and you sound like a kook! This isn’t a cult-they don’t want us to worship them and do funky things. They are helping us know the Lord and if you or anyone else finds a religion that teaches things different then so be it. It is like the difference between a 7th Day Adventist and a Baptist- similar beliefs, but differences of opinion on certain issues. When Jesus returns within this last generation, ( I assume you realize all the Christians know this is the last generation??), He will set us straight. Man has made all these religions. All of us men make mistakes, you, me and the Murray’s. You should be getting people to Christ and stop listening to whatever is telling you your calling because you will drive people away. Stop dividing! Your calling as all of in this last generation is to be ready for the Lord. Us members of the Shepherd’s Chapel follow the Lord-cults follow people like you who are drawing away from the well, sir. I will not be revising your blog again and hope that you will do something else with the precious time you have left in these last days. Good luck and I will pray for your misled intentions in drawing away from getting people to Christ in whatever way with whatever Christian teacher helps them get on the right path.

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    2. this guy has been deceived by Satan’s lies,its useless to listen or try to make him see the truth,in the bible. clearly said’s the father of lies its Satan,devil, the serpent, morning star,dragon,Lucifer,
      the pastor Murray may not had been perfect but he thought the word better than all false pastors from now days,
      its sad that there its Hunan being who will exchange the good for the bad,I was blinded in the past by too many false teaching, I thanks to the Lord for his mercy’s and for allowed me to learn from this humble man,he has many mistakes but teached better than any other false pastor’s period.

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  3. Deprogram? So many “holes” in what you say about SC and AM… unbelieveable holes. I’m sure a few people will google SC and AM and find this website and decide to agree with you. That’s fine and actually welcome. Get rid of those hot house lilys for us 😛

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      1. Try again. I was exposing Shepherd’s Chapel long before Murray died – and now that he is dead his son continues to cast the stumbling block and I will continue to kick it out of the way. Why don’t you tell someone that I’m uncaring who I helped to deliver from this cult and see what they say. Jesus Christ delivered me from this – I know what I came out of, you are still in it by choice.

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    1. His teaching about the serpent seed is entirely unfounded by scripture. There is nothing in the scriptures about Satan having fathered Cain, it actually says he was Adam’s son. Cain and Abel were not twins it is not written, read it with an open mind. That is one thing. His teaching about Israel is wrong, the church does not replace Israel in bible prophecy, the church is the church, not Israel. The ten tribes are not in America the British/Israel doctrine is false. Show me where it is taught in the Bible? The Jewish people in Israel today are God’s ancient chosen people. It is in prophecy that they would be gathered again and become a nation before the coming of the Lord. “Isa_11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” There are many other scriptures to document this fact. They are a nation today, they are Israel. Bible prophecy is happening, all nations are against Israel, today. Zec 12:2-4. Jerusalem is Jerusalem and Israel is Israel, not the U. S. or UK. Pray that you will see the truth, because Arnold Murray was a teacher of false doctrine. Get a good commentary by a real scholar of the Bible.

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      1. I CAN TELL BY YOUR WORDS THAT YOU ARE A GODLY WOMAN,YOU ARE VERY HUMBLE,I AM SO GLAD THAT GOD OPENED YOUR EYES TO THE TRUTH,AND THAT HE SHOWED YOU THAT ARNOLD MURRAY’S TEACHINGS WERE FALSE.

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      2. I listened to Murray for a while because my sister was so excited about his program. After listening for months I prayed and asked God to not allow me to be fooled by false teaching. God showed me in His word where several things that were being taught on Chepard Chapel were not correct. I feel I was saved from much by turning off this program. God loves all of us equal. .if you want to know the truth ask Him He himself will let you know what is true and what is false.

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  4. I listened to him for 20 years and I never thought there was anything wrong with his teachings. He was completely correct on his no Rapture theory (perhaps we have come into this world for such a time as this). Although he was a little heavy with his Kenite theory, but that is ALL!!! I don’t believe he was lost at all, after all there is only one rule to being a Christian, and that is to believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior. If we suffer, we shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him. If we believe not, yet He abideth faithful He cannot deny himself.

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    1. Dig a little deeper – this is not the only thing he wrongly taught. There is a whole landslide of falsehoods. Most cults claim to believe in Christ — but who are they really referring to? Murray is a modalist – for him Jesus is none other than the Father himself. His Christ is an idol conception.

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    2. Steve he was wrong about the Kenites, he was wrong that Cain was the son of Satan, read it in the Bible Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain….. If he was wrong about this then could he also be wrong about other things? Believe me he was. Get a good Bible commentary and read it with an open mind. Did you get a Companion Bible from him? Read the commentary.

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      1. Been drinking Kool-Aid Steve; this is one of the main reasons I rail on the Chapel’s doctrine and people keep screaming bloody murder because I have the gall to point out the obvious

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      2. Justine, i realize this post was almost two years ago, but i still feel the need to reply. Not only to you, but anyone else who may see it Was cain the actual child of satan? We know that the serpent/satan does indeed have seed. God’s Word is plain about that. “I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and the her seed”. When was enmity first found in God’s Word? Between cain and abel! Coincidence??? Don’t blindly follow any man…not Arnold Murray, myself, your local pastor, or anyone else. Follow God’s Word! Pray for understanding and get in It and study! I feel you should be most concerned about your Bible commentaries in which you now seem to place so much trust. Those commentaries are the words of man. Stand with the Word of God. Open your Bible, pray for understanding, and do your best….our Father will lead and guide you. Arnold Murray was a good man, and good Bible teacher.

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      3. You are wrong, Justine, and missed many of the obviously places where Cain is not listed in the descendants list of Adam and also the manuscripts from the ancient texts do say Eve “continued” in labor. That is correct and you are not.You are incorrect and take things out of context in so many places you have listed above. Good luck with all your non-sense of arguing about a man who loved God and is helping us get to Christ while you waste your time instead of getting on with God. PEOPLE DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE! Ask God and he will get you where you need to be and get in the WORD and off this blog! I’m going to do a Bible Study and then pray for all of you!!!

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  5. I don’t know the pastor you are talking about, I have heard a little bit, I can tell you I do have a degree in Biblical studies, so that is why I am giving my two cents Do any of you know how to read Hebrew? Or Greek? Please take the bible back the way it was written. For example in Gen you will find that Eve continue in labor, which means that she had twins. So Please before you start to cut someone down, make sure you have done your homework! You don’t want to look stupid.

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  6. For you detractors: it must be wonderful to have been appointed judge. I am not so lucky. I am of the belief that no man is perfect; only Jesus Christ was perfect. Using that criterion, Arnold Murray spent his life as a teacher of the scriptures. He taught some things that he said to put on the shelf for a later time. And yes, MAYBE he was wrong on some issues; but I am NOT the judge.
    As for Dennis Murray, IMHO, he is a superior teacher of the scripture than his dad; but that’s not important. What IS important that you accept the mostly excellent teaching of a man that made an occasional mistake (and be intelligent enough to recognize a casual error). For you who don’t make mistakes as you accuse others, I suggest Psalm 73 for starters.

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    1. I’ve said repeatedly that I like Dennis and think he means well but he is genuinely deceived and continuing in his father’s stead of leading masses of people astray. I like to focus on what’s being taught and demonstrating that it is not consistent with what the bible teaches.

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      1. “I truly believe he died in a lost state. But if it makes you feel any better I will leave questions regarding the eternal state of his soul up to God. I forgave him. End of story.”

        Wow, I’ll bet he’s relieved about that.

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  7. YOU ARE RETARDED! PASTOR MURRAY MUST HAVE DONE SOMETHING RIGHT, OR IT WOULDN’T BE BOTHERING SO BAD! YOU’RE TOOOOOO SHALLOW TO BE DEEP!!!! HA!!

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  8. Justine, do you hear yourself? “….get a good bible commentary…” Really? So, instead of a good study bible with facts (let me say that again, a good study bible with FACTS) you prefer a commentary of some man’s “thought” on the bible…his/her thoughts minus fact? Normally I would never say that to another believer in Christ, but below let me explain why I have this time:

    Yes, my family and I have studied with PM since around 2000. I enjoy friends and family of different denominations and understandings of the bible and I’m ok with that, why can’t you be? We enjoy conversations about the bible and current events and often agree to disagree with love; why can’t you? I am utterly SHOCKED at the pure hatred for a man that can no longer defend himself from such rabid attacks. All of you that have participated should be ashamed of yourselves.

    What has happened to you all? I absolutely love to talk about the word of God with people even when they disagree me and vice versa for me and we are OKAY with one another in Christ. It is not right to hate other Christians the way you do, its just not right. It’s also not right to think that you are the sole person(s) who hold THE truth; God only, thru. Christ Jesus and His word are the only ones that have the right to say that, no one else, especially here in the flesh.

    All of us need to mind our P’s and Q’s and get back to the studying of God’s Word with the help of the Holy Spirit. Each of us are responsible for ourselves before the Lord our God.

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      1. You have tried so hard to set yourself up as something you’re not. A true teacher of the bible doesn’t have to ridicule another to position himself as you have done.

        A true teacher sticks to teaching the word of God alone. Perhaps you should give it a try unless your one true aim is to foment hatred for another.

        You might want to try a large piece of humble pie and then with the help of the Holy Spirit, try your hand at TEACHING and not finger pointing.

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      2. Okay Kate – I’m sorry you think I hate Murray. I hate his false religion. I’m sorry you don’t like my delivery but I know what Jesus Christ has saved me from. This man is a liar and a heretic and people need to unequivocally know it. I updated some of what you referred to as a response to your concern but the issues still remain Kate. You ignored that part.

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  9. Actually the Bible is only supposed be 5 Books of Moses! Anti Christ pretending be “God” after 5 Books of Moses to cause Religious Discord in Holy Land! Islam is LOVE that God gave to Israelites when freed from Bondage in Exodus, but Counterfeit Gabriel brought it “Down from Heaven” to give to Fake Muhammad aka Fake Messiah who actually Devil falsely calling himself Jesus 2nd Coming! Jesus NEVER LEFT because Jesus (Transciendent Form) is Humankinds Souls! Jihad supposed mean PEACEFUL HOUSE with Educated Wife and Children not Genocides

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  10. Finally, Concept of NWO is “Earth/Devil” thats Usurping Humankind falsely calling KINGDOM OF ISRAEL “Earth” Holocaust didnt come close to “Exterminating” all Jewish because 7 Billion Jewish living on Planet and few Decades number 10 Billion. Different Tribal Names “Chinese, Brazil, Jamaican, Native AmericanFALLENs, Hindus, but ALL Jewish!” Choosing BLASPHEMY against Judaism and in effect dealing with Karma abusing Free Will! Until FALLEN all choose KNEEL? Unfortunately the HIGHER DOMINIONS have be Kaleidoscoped from LESSER DOMINIONS! Humankind NEEDS Muscle Up in Gauntlet and PROVE that they can defeat Fallen, be Utopia Manifestors sooooo Jefe can finally get TRUE 7th Day (Even Chairman NEEDS Full Vacation without Interruptions aka Wars?)

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  11. Arnold Murray wasnt “False Teacher” but Victim of Curse and tried his best be Faithful to God. Itentions were pure Arnold Murray being Exterminated and Baptized, given New Name and New Soul in Afterlife. Most you wont recognize Him because Shrouded in Light Purest Judaism not corrupted by Falsehood Judaism.

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  12. Timothy to Judge Extermination of Soul? Claiming New Name and New Soul? Not even God is “Perfect” nor can I read Minds while Ordinary Humanbeing! Omni while Ordinary Humanbeing would DEFEAT Poetry of Bestowal Mission. I choose Work my Gnosis through People in Small Amounts because Garden is my Free Will Experiment not for me Play Invisible hand only offer Blue Print towards Peace and Productivity. Timothy would have live 77 Lifetimes even be considered have Credentials to be Court Jestor in my Royal Court in Afterlife!

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  13. Tim he could be. That person seems to have some scattered thought process. There are a lot of schizophrenic affected people who has what is called religiosity. Tim I know this for I do work in the mental health field.

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  14. I am not a scholar, just a simple person. I grew up in a home where Christ was a protection/protector for abuse. Then moved away and was used as a punishment. I have seen false prophets in person. Where the greed of their own pockets meant more then teaching and helping others in a way that was Christ like. Through all of this I still loved Christ. I knew my Lord an Christ would be the ones to show the world who these false ones where. I left my faith in what I believed and saw the work of the false prophet’s come to a end due to what my King and Saviour decided. All I am saying isn’t it up to our Lord to decide and if what this Chapel brings is new believers to Christ Our Savior and opens the door to Christ for them really be a bad thing? I am not here to debate just stating how I feel.

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  15. Pasor Arnord Murray does not need defended, nor his son, Dennis. They have brought God’s Word to life for me and many. Well done Marine and son Dennis. We love you guys for what you preach.

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  16. Everyone needs to stop reading and responding to Timothy’s comments and go to the bible. While he thinks this is Christian behavior, it isn’t.

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  17. we’ll all find out for ourselves that Pastor Murray taught in the best and true way he could…..it’s the negativeness that you speak of that worries me. Bless Pastor Murray………..Amen

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  18. I have studied with Shepherd’s Chapel for almost 35 years, at first I said this pastor is wrong, my pastor says we are going to fly away, and Cain and Abel are from the same father, and Christmas has to be in December, I asked a lot of questions, I searched the original manuscripts the best I could, and I would search until I came up with an answer that the Holy Spirit took me through. I’ve had to ask God to forgive me because of my judging His servant. God tells us that my people are a little Sod-dish ( stupid). Check your Pastors out from God’s word, and don’t judge, for you will be judged. God Bless the Shepherd’s Chapel and thank you for teaching, Amen.

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  19. Hello, I am 24 years old, and I became born-again and started following Jesus last year. The Lord took down the scales that were hovering over my eyes and allowed me to see the truth very radically. I stopped all willful sin that same day, and my zeal for the Lord was on fire!! My family is not saved, they have dead, vain faith, and it has been a rocky road with them. I’m writing this because my grandma is involved with this church…pastor Arnold, and now his son..for quite some time, I wanna say over 20 years…who knows. I try to talk to her about the bible, and she gets almost defensive towards this man when I tell her some of the things he taught, and son still teaching does not line up with the bible, and makes no sense. She feels like since she’s been a “christian” for 20+ years she feels like I dont know anything. This was not something that I did on my own, the Lord came in, and changed me completely it was like a 180 for me and she is having a hard time understanding that. I thank you for writing this blog because I wanted to dig into who this Pastor was, and see what fruit he bears since Jesus said we will know them by their fruits. From my grandma’s fruit I don’t see anything. She still drinks, swears, and believes being “good” person will get her into Heaven…Its almost like she believes there is many ways to Heaven when in reality there is only one and thats Jesus. She has some things right, but she is so stuck on this man…and says “i will not change her belief” How do I go about this? I believe the shepherds chapel is false….My grandma also believes the mark of the beast is being a christian just like you stated not an actual mark which I believe it IS going to be a mark because like you said about buying or selling, etc. She always tries to pull the card on dont judge dont judge….but this is righteous judgement. The Lord told us to judge by righteous judgement, and not by appearance. Also in Corinthians it states he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged by no man. I keep telling her satan has so many deceived and that there is few churches that are preaching the truth….Its sad…I dont want my family to go to Hell….but i dont know what to do. The only thing I can do is just pray for my grandma and hope to God he will get her out of this delusion….She even said to not preach to people which i dont get because Jesus said in Mark 16:15 to go out….I just see the damage this chapel did to my grandma, and its sad. May the Lord have mercy on her and I do hope she has an ear to hear. Thank you again for posting this blog and allowing me to get more info on this…God bless you in Jesus mighty name….if you have somehwere i can look you up please let me know….

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    1. You experienced genuine conversion, there’s no doubt. Your loved ones seem lost but it’s hard to know what their spiritual state is as I don’t know them – I was trapped at a very low level of Christian maturity by the Chapel’s false teachings, though I did still believed in the Lord. They may truly be lost but it’s part of God’s plan to use you to glorify His word and to hopefully give them adequate warning. They have been lulled into a false sense of religious peace by this man who is their idol. Yes, it is very sad and people wonder why I get so agitated with this – I know how cults rob people, first hand. I know how evil Shepherd’s Chapel really is. Study up and engage them the best you can as the Holy Spirit compels you. That is one reason for the blog, to help outsiders understand their mindset – they ensnared by powerful religious fantasies that are reality to them. Just engage them with the Word, let them have their say, ask them to specify what they mean, ask questions – then tell them what you think the passage means using scripture… and then pray and try to discern how God is working with them.

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  20. Tim, my neighbor who goes to the same Baptist Church I go to asked me if I ever watched Shepherds Chapel. So, the last two mornings at 4:30 am I got up and watched with great curiosity! I am a follower of CHRIST more than any denomination, I am now about half way through my Bible for the fourth time. Unfortunately it didn’t take very long to see that there was something very wrong with the teaching that I was hearing! TOTALLY UNBIBLICAL! GOD IS THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND FOREVER! ISRAEL WILL ALWAYS BE HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE, AS YOU CAN SEE HE IS GATHERING THEM ALL BACK HOME LIKE HE SAID HE WOULD BEFORE THE END! I EXPECT THE RAPTURE OF THE REAL BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS ANYTIME, ALL THINGS POINT TO HIS SOON RETURN, THANK YOU JESUS FOR REVEILING THE TRUTH TO ME AND MY FAMILY! PRAY AND THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL OPEN YOUR EYES ALSO, HE DID MINE IN 1988, BEFORE THAT I DIDNT EVEN BELIEVE IN GOD, NOW HE’S ALL I FEEL LIKE TALKING ABOUT. HE HAS DONE MANY MIRACULOUS THINGS IN MY LIFE AND HE’S NOT FINISHED YET, ALL GLORY TO HIM!!!!!!

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    1. Hi Allen – that’s one of the reasons for this blog; I had no one to warn me as a young person about Murray and his teachings. God allowed me to get caught up in it for a season then delivered me so I could help others. I do want to council you this though, severely put to the test a doctrine called, “dispensational premillennialism” – it is huge within Baptist church. I cover it some but really take the time to take it apart, it will be well worth it.

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  21. Not for ONE second do I believe that God has appointed YOU to publicly tear down the teaching of Pastor Murray.One of the things that Pastor Murray didn’t do was exactly what YOU are doing, publicly belittling those who don’t agree with him. Instead, he said to check the Word out for yourself. Yay, you have done that. You don’t agree, so be it. We have heard your stance, you are entitled to it. So tired of hearing your rhetoric.Maybe you should take a moment and see what GOD has to say about your behavior. Pastor Murray whether you like it or not, was a ‘brother in Christ. He was not perfect, neither are you. He was not a false prophet, he was a teacher. Why don’t you let the Holy Spirit confirm if he was as horrible as you say he was. In the meantime, if you believe he is so wrong, try following God’s word when it comes to ‘correction’ of a fellow believer.

    Matthew 18:15 “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’[b] 17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

    Once you have read the above, discern and see if it ‘fits’:

    Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
    2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
    3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
    4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
    5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
    6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.

    If you continue on your self righteous mission, I have nothing left to say to you other than…

    I WILL PRAY FOR YOU!

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      1. Cindy – I’m a nice person and believe in free speech. I let people comment freely and anonymously if need be without restriction. However, I do moderate. So if you want to keep your negative tenor going towards me – you will get no further traction on this blog. Nothing was edited on your first post. If you want to continue on and on without discussing the scriptural issues then I won’t accommodate you any further.

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      2. It is not free speech when you change what I said to accommodate your agenda. The things I wrote WERE in reference to scripture and you changed it. When I said I was walking away, I was following God’s Word by treating you as a heathen or tax collector. You are lying when you say that you did not alter my first comment, I said I was walking away and you changed it to ‘I WILL PRAY FOR YOU’. I can completely see you for who you are and what you are doing. That is why you feel threatened by my comments and see a need to alter MY words. All ‘moderations’ you made after that are actually ‘twists’ to make it appear that I am in agreement with you. I.E. Actually, I’m beginning to understand the purpose of this blog…when in fact I said I am well aware of the purpose of this blog and I am walking away, then you thanked me and told me you were just getting warmed up. I ALSO said, ‘Hmmmm interesting, I am walking away and you altered it to say, Hmmmmm, interesting

        Of course you see this as a negative tenor towards you, you are creating what YOU want people to be saying and when I call you out on your actions, you ‘rewrite’ my comments to further your cause. I have NO doubts that this comment will also be ‘moderated’ because it puts light to the darkness. Your threat to not ‘accomodate me any further’ makes you look like you have put up boundries to my ‘bad behavior’ when in actuality you are doing the work of the enemy by twisting truth. I am good with not being a part of your ‘blog’. You are a liar and I have no intention of continuing in your charade. God knows my heart and He knows yours as well.. So grateful that it is not me you resist, but Truth. You have confirmed to me that your quest to discredit Pastor Murray is nothing more than Satan’s fear of people hearing TRUTH. God has has a plan for you:…

        Romans 16:

        17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

        18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

        19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

        20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

        Here is my challenge to you Timothy Campbell, don’t remove ONE word from what I have written. Let those out there see what I have to say and come to their own conclusions. IF you do ‘moderate’ or even better, delete me, I will know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you indeed work for the enemy. What say you?

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      3. Challenge accepted, now read the posts and address the scriptural issues. People come on here all the time Cindy, and say things 100 times worse than you imagine that I’m saying so it is quite common to edit something to make it sound respectful instead of deleting it outright. I’m actually quite respectful to Murray – his teaching on the other hand is garbage and I thank the Lord Jesus Christ that he delivered me from it.

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      4. I have been searching for someone who teaches scripture from the Word of God. Pastor Murray was the first person EVER that I have come across to do so. I took his advise and have looked into what he teaches. I don’t take his word for it, I look it up myself and trust that the Holy Spirit is doing His job. NOBODY is perfect but I do not see where Shepherds Chapel is a ‘cult’.

        I do not appreciate you taking what I said and rewriting it to appear as if I was suddenly ‘seeing the light’ and coming to understand how Shepherds Chapel is a cult, then you answering it as if I was waiting with baited breath to hear what you have to say. That is deceptive and if you can not see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. What I said was not disrespectful and did not need to be fixed. On that note, I did go in to look around your blog. I know that the Holy Spirit will do His job…

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      5. Rule: if you comment on something, do so respectfully, because I do edit and moderate on occasion. If your whole goal in commenting is to try to portray me as an evil demoniac then I promise 100% I won’t tolerate it. And the more you rail against me editing, the more I will do it. I will let you say things against me up to a point and once you cross that line don’t expect to get any further traction on the blog.

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      6. And when I say read the “other posts”, I mean other articles, the ones dealing with the scripture. Not the other negative unedited comments which you will find plenty, any of which I could edit to say anything if I so chose. If you notice they say pretty much the same thing they did when they were first written. So I’m not really all that concerned if people are complaining about this or that article, or if I choose to edit or not; because I am free to do it with a good conscience — the most important thing is people need to be warned about this false religion. The Lord Jesus Christ has given me a forehead of flint in regards to this cult, and my resolve will only become more vigorous.

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      7. Actually I changed the first comment after my response to see what you would say because you don’t seem to understand. If you come on here accusing me of being led by Satan I will delete or edit your comment and I have every right regardless of what you say. If you comment, you will do so respectfully. In the past I used to let people say any asinine and hateful thing imaginable and let it stand. Not anymore.

        I hope that makes sense Cindy, I would never accuse you of the same thing. As far as your judgment of me, you’re completely wrong.

        I don’t feel threatened, I only feel like I need to continue telling the truth…

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  22. Well, it’s like I said before – I won’t let you just insult me with impunity. If you want to do that, then I will moderate you, it’s that simple. The Lord God called me to this work, if you think it’s selfish ambition, take it to the Creator the one who called me to expose the Chapel’s lies and deceptions. I have already determined that I will no longer let random commentators insult me and be disrespectful. Regarding your other comments, they have been edited to be ambiguous, and respectful. That’s the rule.

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    1. In all fairness, I went back into some of your blogs with an open mind and heart. And now that I have come back, once again you have modified and edited my words. Where is your respect to others? When I reposted the different things you put into my mouth, I called you out on it and you removed them. What I posted WAS respectful, I was simply showing the difference. But, you don’t want people to see what you did, so you removed it. Its your blog, your rules…I get it.

      While going through the different sections you blog about, it became very clear to me the issue at hand: YOU swallowed everything said hook line and sinker so therefore you assume everyone else will as well. You didn’t take Pastor Murrays advise and check it out for yourself. Then once you did and you didn’t agree, you have made it your life mission to prove him wrong instead of understanding that YOU were the one who didn’t check it out first. What you are trying to do is save people from finding out the truth on their own. Instead of accepting your own responsibility for not doing your own research, you have placed all the blame on him. I am a Shepherds Chapel follower, but I don’t just blindly believe everything without checking it out for myself. For one, the katabole. Guess what? I haven’t bought into that one completely because it hasn’t been shown to me. BUT, I don’t completely dismiss it either. Why? It makes sense when you put the pieces together. Since I don’t KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt, I don’t pass that information on. I put it on a shelf. The eighth day creation, I believe it to my core. WHY? Because GOD revealed it to me, not man. What happened in the garden? I do believe that to be truth. I have a friend who fell to the ground telling God that she was seeking TRUTH, not all the deception that is out there. God revealed to her that if she wanted truth, she had to forget EVERYTHING she has learned from man and return to the original language. She has been doing that for over 30 years. When she shares with me what she has learned FROM GOD, it lines up with the serpent seed doctrine. It rings truth to my soul. Again, you choose what you want on your blog and edit it accordingly. You say I have been disrespectful. To who? You and your belief that NOTHING Pastor Arnold said was truth? You are throwing out the baby with the bath water. Look, I have tried to come in and have an honest discussion and all you have done is erase what you don’t want said about you. It is obvious why you don’t have any followers.

      You said this: If your whole goal in posting is to try to portray me as an evil demoniac then I promise 100% I won’t tolerate it. Funny how what is good for the goose is not good for the gander. I think I will take Pastor Murrays advise once again and not debate with you. Its a waste of time because YOUR GOAL IN POSTING IS TO TRY TO PORTRAY PASTOR ARNOLD AS AN EVIL DEMONIAC. and I promise 100% I won’t tolerate it!!! He was a man, a teacher. He was not Jesus, did not claim to be Jesus and was not perfect It was YOUR expectation of him why you feel he failed you. You didn’t do your own work, shame on you.

      Once again….oh never mind, I won’t post it. It will only be removed.

      Marching forward while you stay stuck…ciao.

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      1. As far as Murray is concerned, I liked him and his son personally, their teaching on the other hand – it disgusts me… the serpent seed is just one such racist, bigoted, perverted doctrine. There are many others people need to be warned about.

        I was a teenager when I was led astray so yes I listened intently to everything he taught like the child I was. I have been out this cult for years. I had no one to warn me when I was young but I can assure I will warn everyone who comes here and there are hundreds daily and growing.

        Also, don’t be so naive – Murray truly believed everything he taught, things like the katabole. And he expected his true students, “the elect”, to believe as he taught. BTW the elect are the whole body of Christ, not some select group… that is how you know it’s a cult.

        He often chided those who didn’t agree. I can assure you, he’s wrong about the katabole and a whole lot more and it matters a whole lot. He claimed to be a teacher of God’s word, he will be judged on the basis of what he taught.

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  23. As the Bible says you are to work on yourself first and foremost.. It is a sin to call out preachers., Your main mission is to tell others of Christ . That is our only mission… Judge not lest ye be judged first.. None are perfect.. No not one.. We all fall short and don’t become perfect.. once a Christian, Judging others turns unbelievers away… You are not doing as God asked us.. Judge what you are not doing… You are to love your enemies and love others as you love yourself… You are not teaching or trying to lead others to truth at all.. Your entire agenda is to edit others, meaning you are false.. You hate and your own words say so.. God is the only judge.. I have watched Arnold and believe some but the main thing is he reads from the Bible and does not judge.. he studied.. My wonderful grandma who could hardly read always said, “you have to study the Bible” So he is already trying to save souls… You are not.. You are personifying yourself as one of those perfect Christians who others are turned off from and you are risking their salvation to get your hatred out there so you are not loving your neighbor as yourself… Believe me I do not want any thoughts or words from you.. You need the Bible and you need to drop this hate filled vendetta.. May God have mercy

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